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Post by poseidon on Oct 20, 2005 11:22:39 GMT -5
"FORBIDDEN LOVE: This is Kraftwerk inspired and features computer generated, vocoder style vocals. It sounds very Eighties and is slightly slower than the rest of the album (there are no ballads at all on the CD). 8" - Matheus
When I saw this track I wondered if it was some dance remix from the same-titled song from her album "Bedtime Stories."
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Post by poseidon on Oct 20, 2005 11:31:52 GMT -5
The new album's available at amazon.com for $10.99.
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 12:57:17 GMT -5
Trutha, it does not matter. The point is that you were wrong when you said I was wrong to say only 2 artists have received permission to sample Abba's music. Actually you said that there were only 2 artists to get permission to use ABBA's music in a recording. And you are wrong and so is Ken. A Compulsory license is getting permission. As a matter of fact, most of the time the artist/record company that wants to do the cover/tribute contacts the copyright owner first. But if they can't be reached, or refuse to give the permission to do the cover song then you MUST file for a compulsory license, if you don't file it on time you are indeed breaking the copyright law and you are no longer eligible for the license and you can be taken to court and pay fines. In either case there is always a legal negotiated agreement signed by both parties. The notice to file for the license is filed with the Library Of Congress in the event that the copyright owner can't be contacted or refuses. A few more interesting facts: 1. Many times the copyright owner will ask to hear the cover first, in order to make sure it has not been altered (the lyrics or the melody) You see if this has been done then you definately HAVE to have exclusive permission and the copyright owner can indeed refuse in this case 2. You have to give full credit to the writers/publishers in the linear notes inside the CD sleeve 3. You can NOT put the lyrics to the song(s) inside the CD cover without getting special permission from the copyright owner Ken, have you heard Therion's cover of Summer Night City, or anything off of ABBAMETAL? Therion's cover is much different than the original. Yngwie changed the words to "Gimme your Love after Midnight", thank god!! I somehow can't picture Jeff Scott Soto singing "Gimme Gimme Gimme your man after midnight" LOL Anyway I would think they probably indeed got permission especially considering the album cover Here maybe this might help clear it up. We get driver's licenses which gives us "PERMISSION" to drive. Contractors and individuals that want to build get permits that give them "PERMISSION" to build. Main Entry: 1li·cense Variant(s): or li·cence /'lî-s & n(t)s/Function: nounEtymology: Middle English, from Middle French licence, from Latin licentia, from licent-, licens, present participle of licere to be permitted 1 a : permission to act b : freedom of action 2 a : a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful ;D
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 13:05:30 GMT -5
oops did I say gimme gimme "your" man after midnight. Whatever... I meant "a".
Speaking of covers Children of Bodom's cover of Britney's "Oops I did it again" is pretty funny but amazingly it is pretty good. LOL
Oh and it is definately nothing like the original.
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 20, 2005 13:06:39 GMT -5
If you don't get approval for the cover, you must file for the compulsory license, which requires the copyright holder to allow you to go ahead. There really is damn little a copyright holder can do to stop someone from recording a cover version, and most of the time they don't want to, they just want to get paid. And that's all I'm saying ... it is almost impossible to keep someone from covering your song, but it is fairly simple to keep them from using your recording of that same song. Also, much of the time the problem is not with the recording of a song, but rather for the use of that recording. Everything I'm saying is assuming that we're talking about a cover version for an LP or something. If you want to use, say, a cover of the Stones' Miss You for an ad for perfume or something, you'd have to get Mick and Keef to approve it even though you're not using their performance. This sort of use is seen differently from a simple performance license. But the simple matter is that most of the time, the copyright holder wants others to use their material so they can be paid for it. There are exceptions, of course, but that's generally why people get copyrights: so they can earn money from their work. But that's really more than I really wanted to talk about copyright law ... thank god I don't have to deal with that on a daily basis. Give me a criminal matter (or even a divorce) any day over this stuff! I haven't heard any of those Abba covers, BTW. The only Abba covers I'm really familiar with (off the top of my head) are U2 doing Dancing Queen (with Bjorn and Benny sitting in, I believe) and, um, that's pretty much the only one I can think of right now. I've always thought that someone could do a really moving rock or acoustic version of Knowing Me, Knowing You, but I've never heard one like that.
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 13:16:09 GMT -5
Actually Ken, I am not arguing about the fact that there is nothing an artist can do to prevent someone from making a cover or tribute. But you still have to file for the license if you can't contact the copyright owner, and technically that is "getting permission" imo. Because if you don't do it you can have legal problems. You basically are writing the Library of Congress in order to get permission to do the work.
ABBAMETAL is pretty damn good and I don't really care for ABBA much. LOL I have the Therion cover, video, on Monster's of Metal Volume I, it is so different from the original that I had no idea it was an ABBA song. You should check it out.
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 20, 2005 13:19:37 GMT -5
Actually Ken, I am not arguing about the fact that there is nothing an artist can do to prevent someone from making a cover or tribute. But you still have to file for the license if you can't contact the copyright owner, and technically that is "getting permission" imo. Because if you don't do it you can have legal problems. You basically are writing the Library of Congress in order to get permission to do the work. ABBAMETAL is pretty damn good and I don't really care for ABBA much. LOL I have the Therion cover on Monster's of Metal Volume I. You should check it out. OK, after all those words we've both used, we're saying the same thing. We've got an agreement, and so I'm gonna forget all 'bout copyright law for the next six or seven years (which is about the last time I really had to think about it). If I see those Abba covers, I'll check 'em out. Bjorn and Benny actually had quite the knack for catchy tunes, it's just the performance/production that could be so sweetly sickening that you wouldn't want to listen to 'em. Maybe these sets would be the right way to introduce Phil to the joys of Abba.
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Post by poseidon on Oct 20, 2005 13:21:35 GMT -5
"Does your mother know" "Mama Mia" "Fernando" "The Name Of The Game" "Super Trouper" and so many other great ABBA songs. I have their "Abba: Gold" c.d. in my collection.
Heard that ABBA was offered half a billion to tour a decade or so ago. They turned it down flat. For that much money I'd let go of a resentment or two!! "Principles Before Personalities!"
BTW: I love "Dancing Queen!"
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 13:21:39 GMT -5
Well I guess it all depends on if you like the "metal" version of ABBA or not. \m/
I don't know if Phil would appreciate that. LOL
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 13:22:53 GMT -5
Just one more thing that I wonder about though. I wonder if Therion indeed have to get 'special' permission to make the video for the song? hmm
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 20, 2005 13:23:30 GMT -5
BTW: I love "Dancing Queen!" Who doesn't? Well, except Phil. His boys love metal, so I think that Abbametal would be a natural for his household! Maybe we can sneak a copy across the border to Quebec? ;D
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 20, 2005 13:30:48 GMT -5
Tad Morose does "Knowing Me Knowing You" on ABBAMETAL. I haven't heard that one but I imagine it kicks butt, Tad Morose is good!
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Post by phil on Oct 20, 2005 13:35:45 GMT -5
AH! But it feels so natural to see ABBA being discussed under the CRACK WHORE JUNKIES title... ;D I'd rather listen to the Sex Pistols or Riley's Slayer box set...
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 20, 2005 13:43:17 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO! Phil, where did you find those Abba puppets? That is too funny ... I swear you've got a big stash of Abba related resources to use just for these sorts of occassions.
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Post by chrisfan on Oct 20, 2005 13:50:40 GMT -5
BTW: I love "Dancing Queen!" Who doesn't? Well, except Phil. Me. I hate the song. It may be the single thing on this earth that Phil and I agree on! ;D Here's my list off the top of my head of the best Abba songs: - When All is Said and Done - Knowing Me Knowing You - Take A Chance on Me - Cassandra - One of Us - Winner Takes it All - Slipping Through My Fingers - Soldiers - Mama Mia - So Long - Why Did it Have to be Me - Lay All Your Love on Me - Angel Eyes - Name of the Game - Waterloo - only gotta put it on there since it was the first All in all, you just can't go wrong with the Abba divorce songs. Hey! That's 15 songs. Maybe I should sign up for Rocky's CD exchange afterall, and hope I get Phil's name. On covers, Erasure got a bit heavy into doing Abba covers for a while. I think they even released an entire CD or mini-CD of Abba covers.
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