zorndeslammes
Streetcorner Musician
RICKSON BY ARMBAR!!1!!!!1!
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jun 12, 2006 18:07:20 GMT -5
It not only proves nothing, its not thought provoking, nor even pertinent. But thanks for the general waste of time.
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 12, 2006 18:12:13 GMT -5
On some level I can understand disliking Kraftwerk (or, for that matter, Schoenberg) because they seem too dehumanized, too unemotional, too detached, distant, intellectual, abstract, whatever. If you're looking for a particular kind of emotional kick in the stomach from music, then you're not going to like Kraftwerk, or Schoenberg, and that's fine. But there's no obvious reason to me that this kind of emotional release should be the official standard for judging whether or not music is "good" - perhaps Kraftwerk fans are looking for something different in music. Or at least in Kraftwerk. Why does that automatically diminish the quality of the music? I'm at a loss here. MI never said I dont like Kraftwerk. The fact of the matter is I fucking love them. I think they are hilarious and I enjoy a good chunk of their catalog. And I also did not say that the physical/emotion release of music like teh Ramones should be the official standard for judging quality--again you are totally reading way too much into what I'm saying and making assumptions that just arent true. |
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 12, 2006 18:14:13 GMT -5
It not only proves nothing, its not thought provoking, nor even pertinent. But thanks for the general waste of time. You're welcome??? BTW, any subject can be thought provoking to someone with an inquisitive and creative mind... ...maybe it would be best if you just ignore any thread that I start...you really dont seem capable of adding anything constructive to the conversations other than playing the predictably non-productive role of the contrarian... |
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Post by Ryosuke on Jun 12, 2006 21:57:26 GMT -5
I not only like the sound of two guitars, bass, and drums, I think it's one of the most effective ways to communicate certain musical and social messages. You secretly ejaculate when you attend a concert and there's a horn/woodwind player or a violinist on stage, and you know it. |
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 12, 2006 22:29:26 GMT -5
I not only like the sound of two guitars, bass, and drums, I think it's one of the most effective ways to communicate certain musical and social messages. You secretly ejaculate when you attend a concert and there's a horn/woodwind player or a violinist on stage, and you know it. LMAO! Glad to see someone read my post from earlier today ... I was starting to feel ignored!  And I don't make any secret about it ... when I go see a band, there had fucking better be a tuba on stage ... whether anyone plays it or not, everything is better with a tuba around. Everything. |
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zorndeslammes
Streetcorner Musician
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jun 13, 2006 0:09:22 GMT -5
During the Second Punic War, the island was assaulted by the two Scipio brothers 209 BC but remained loyal to Carthage. With Carthaginian military luck running out on the Iberian mainland, Ibiza was last used by the fleeing Carthaginian General Mago to gather supplies and men before sailing to Menorca and then to Liguria. Ibiza negotiated a favorable treaty with the Romans, which spared Ibiza from further destruction and allowed it to continue its Carthaginian-Punic institutions well into the Empire days, when it became an official Roman municipality. For this reason, Ibiza today offers excellent examples of late Carthaginian-Punic civilization, but during such time the island became a quiet imperial outpost as it was further detached from the important trading routes of the time.
You know what pertinance the above had to the discussion? None. It meant nothing. Which is precisely what telling me about subsonic frequencies emitted from rocks played by native americans in rituals tells me or anyone else about any sort of supposed difference in the "feel" of electronic music and that which is played with conventional instrumentation. In fact, playing with that keyboard can allow you to do all sorts of things. If you want, you can make a symphony from pitches both low and high that cannot be heard with the human ear. Would it prove anything? Not really. But you could.
Of course not. What we should instead do is take the mostly dead and rotting position that electronic music is not as interesting as that which is live and made with real instruments. Considering that most music critics abandoned this line of thought about 20 years ago once it was proven to be as full of holes as swiss cheese, I see no reason why it shouldn't be resurrected once more.
Here's an interesting question; does anyone here who abjects to equalizing the grounds of electronic music/hip hop listen to music featuring traditional instrumentation on CD (no SACD, but just ol' CDs) or MP3s? If so, can you justify this?
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 13, 2006 8:01:20 GMT -5
You secretly ejaculate when you attend a concert and there's a horn/woodwind player or a violinist on stage, and you know it. LMAO! Glad to see someone read my post from earlier today ... I was starting to feel ignored! And I don't make any secret about it ... when I go see a band, there had fucking better be a tuba on stage ... whether anyone plays it or not, everything is better with a tuba around. Everything. It's a well known fact that the physical aggressiveness it takes to play a tuba creates an entirely different vibe than pushing buttons on a laptop computer. |
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Post by rockysigman on Jun 13, 2006 8:07:58 GMT -5
I think this thread has jumped the shark.
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Post by kmc on Jun 13, 2006 8:19:36 GMT -5
I generally disagree with just about everything that has been proposed on this board. I love Daft Punk. I think Discovery is one of the greatest albums ever. With synthesizers and machines and computers and whatever, those guys created one of the warmest albums of all time; an album that almost always kicks the party off wherever it's played, an album that is instantly recognizable, is transcendent, and is every other cliche that you can attribute to well crafted music. I cannot think of a single argument that can be crafted to support the opinion that the mood created by a dude banging on a set of drums is better, more physical, or otherwise more valid than the mood Daft Punk creates with Discovery. That said, for P.E.W.: As a "rockist", you must be familiar with the Radiohead catalog. Can you claim that "The Bends" is inherently a better, more emotional, more physically demanding album than "Kid A" simply because the fact that one album is more "rock", and another more "electronic"? This thread should have ended with this post, except PEW didn't answer the question. |
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Post by kmc on Jun 13, 2006 8:25:38 GMT -5
Also, it is ridiculous to propose that live rock provides for a level of improvisation not possible in other genres. As has been mentioned, a scratch DJ can do any level of amazing things while spinning the same thing you think you've heard a billion times. Apart from that, and an example, pick up the original Kraftwerk single "The Man Machine" and contrast it with the live version from "Minimum-Maximum." See the difference?
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Post by kmc on Jun 13, 2006 8:26:35 GMT -5
Oh and Luke, you're on notice, buddy.  |
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 13, 2006 9:00:23 GMT -5
I think this thread has jumped the shark. Even jumping the shark is better with a tuba around. It's all about the tuba. |
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Post by Galactus on Jun 13, 2006 9:05:50 GMT -5
I'm gonna need some more banjo.
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 13, 2006 9:09:47 GMT -5
But if we've got a tuba and a banjo in this, is it still rockist?
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Post by Galactus on Jun 13, 2006 9:11:34 GMT -5
Actually, I think you've got the Bad Livers but I'm okay with that.
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