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Post by Galactus on Jun 13, 2006 9:15:33 GMT -5
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 13, 2006 9:18:39 GMT -5
Also, it is ridiculous to propose that live rock provides for a level of improvisation not possible in other genres. As has been mentioned, a scratch DJ can do any level of amazing things while spinning the same thing you think you've heard a billion times. Apart from that, and an example, pick up the original Kraftwerk single "The Man Machine" and contrast it with the live version from "Minimum-Maximum." See the difference? Who proposed that? |
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Post by Galactus on Jun 13, 2006 9:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by Galactus on Jun 13, 2006 9:26:04 GMT -5
^those guys proposed that.
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 13, 2006 9:34:40 GMT -5
See, everything's better with a tuba around. Just imagine how lame those pics would look without those awesome tubas to redeem them.
People should just carry tubas around in order to make their days better.
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Post by Fuzznuts on Jun 13, 2006 9:43:55 GMT -5
Case in point:  ^^^Too awesome for words. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 13, 2006 9:44:15 GMT -5
ok, has anyone even concluded what the proper answer to the question this thread posits even is? I'll provide my answer: rockjism SUCKS ASS. Why, you ask? Well, look no further than wikipedia's generic definition, "rockjism is an ideology of popular music criticism" . . . whoa, whoa, & whoa nellies ! 1.Criticism usually sux 2. Popular criticism sux even worse 3.But ideological, popular music criticism-?! *Fuuuuck*, That takes the cake right there. Must be bullsh*t, pure & simple  ~ ~ ~ Back to my own take on egotistical music opinions. Me? Hell, I love physical, live, hard action music. Look no further than my passionate love for KORN's music; you don't get any more physical/live than that (unless you're sleepytime gorilla museum!) And yet I also love Kraftwerk - but I must say, I don't get a "laff" out of them (unless they are being intentionally humorous, which as anyone who knows these quirky Kraut's music can testify, they are not w/out their occasional doses of offbeat humor). But a song like "Neon Lights" - - that can make me cry. Nostalgia -? Perhaps. I also think the song elicits genuine emotion. What about some of the blackmetal I listen to? I know of many who cannot accept/ digest/ or otherwise tolerate this kind of music without the groan-worthy disclaimer that they do so because "it makes them laugh". Hey I think that's all fair & dandy (whatever works for ya, right?), but me -?- (well it depends on what BM we're talking about) -- I take the quality examples of this music seriously. I.e, it's no "laughing matter", to me. That said, I can point out that such BM acts that are indeed LAUGHABLE: I Stay Away From (case in point: fucking Dimmu Borgir & their ilk, shiiiiiit, I LAFF'D MY ASS OFF the first time I lent an ear to one of their albums! It sounded, at first, as if it could be featured on a WALT DISNEY movie soundtrack! "LoL", you betcha !) But I just can't conjure that mood of disdainful silliness when experiencing the dead serious, hateful assault of a band like Ibex Throne, or when relishing the furious, breakneck pace of certain technical deathmetal bands like Poland's Decapitated, or Canada's CryptopsY. That is serious music, and although of course I find it perfectly acceptable for anyone to process/react to such music in their own way (by laffing out loud @ it, for instance), I can only suggest that this is not MY way w/such music. I.e, I take Kraftwerk & certain black/deathmetal bands seriously, each on its own particular merit. If I wanted to laff @ music, I'll listen to Weird Al, or somethin'. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 13, 2006 9:47:58 GMT -5
DeathTongue is killer. I will admit that most BM/dm acts can be straight up laughable: my point is, I work hard at sifting through the piles to reach the serious ones, the diamonds in the rough, so to speak. For instance, there is simply nothing laughable whatsoever, to ME, about an album such as Burzum's Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. Rather, I find it to be alternately harrowing, beautiful, and dark. Something to be respected & taken seriously (not laughed at).
Hey but that's just me
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 13, 2006 9:50:36 GMT -5
Nice post, Thorn ... though I have less of a problem with critical ideology, I agree with your basic point (which is, I think) that no single critical perspective is sufficient to account for all music. Nuts -- love that Bloom County strip ... makes me smile every time I see it. Behold the power of the tuba: it makes Opus still manly even though he's wearing tights and makeup. Tubas rock.  |
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Post by Fuzznuts on Jun 13, 2006 9:52:08 GMT -5
"Opus ain't no sissy."
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Post by kmc on Jun 13, 2006 9:59:20 GMT -5
See, this is the last time this thread made sense, on page 6. From there, we got into some sort of discussion on how rock is a more physical activity than laying down track with a laptop (which means nothing). I am still trying to get the justification on how the rock aesthetic is better than others.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 13, 2006 10:20:56 GMT -5
"I am still trying to get the justification on how the rock aesthetic is better than others."
Here there be tygers.
Yet that is a good point, kM. I myself, having fostered an outright devotional fanaticism for "everything rock'n'roll" since the tender age of 13 when I got my sweaty mitts on my first album (Aerosmith's Get Your Wings, as good a starting point to dive right into the deep end of the "rock aesthetic", if you ask me), might come across as "elitist" from some isolated comments or observations I might make. (But I enjoy a wide spectrum of musics, like many or most of us probably do.) From Aerosmith (whom I owe mad props & respect for, regardless of the commercial direction their music took, which ain't my bag) I went on towards a deep & everlasting devotion to the likes of Pink Floyd & Led Zeppelin, and from there I dove off the launching pads of RUSH and KING CRIMSON, and well, by that time, there was no stopping the direction my "aesthetic" would take me.
Which brings me to a point addressed earlier on in this thread: the COMMERCIAL aesthetic. Hey I'll be the first to admit, I cut my teeth on commercial rock: Floyd, Zep, Tull, Yes, Rush, that ain't no "underground", kiddiez. Even in the 90's, every band I became enamoured of seemed bound for the bigtime: SMASHING PUMPKINS, JANE'S ADDICTION, NIRVANA, KORN, TOOL, RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, you name it; if I liked it, it seemed they were bound to blow up, bigtime.
I didn't start exploring my underground fetish until later in life. Having discovered the relentless joys of bands such as The Accused, NAUSEA, Kreator, and the like - - I can finally say I "crossed over" to bridge the gap between my youthful commercial sensibilities & a more mature, underground idealism being fostered more vehemently every day.
Perhaps it all comes down to appetite: you either HAVE one (and mine is voracious), or you just don't that much. I bite into the world of music w/seemingly unappeasable gusto. I'm not one to "side" w/any particular camp exclusively. I enjoy the full range of music's spectrum, from the commercial to the underground, from folk to metal, from electronica (not so much, I'll admit) to ambient (my favorite).
One thing ALL of these various genres / subsets of music have in common: THEY ALL CONSISTENTLY PRODUCE PURE SHITE. Conversely, ALL of these movements within the rock aesthetic, without exception, also feature their diamonds in the rough.
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jun 13, 2006 10:22:56 GMT -5
In sort of a thread closing moment, I'll give you the answer as to why the justification you seek hasn't been posted yet; it doesn't exist. That's why this whole argument is silly.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 13, 2006 10:26:07 GMT -5
Of course we've established this "rockjism argument" is silly; now, let us move on towards more brilliant, opinionated, ego-ridden rants~! \m/
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 13, 2006 10:27:08 GMT -5
i.e, fack "closing" this thread; let's take it over ! *hoists blackmarket M16 into the air* "Viva la revolucion de ROCK!"
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