JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Jul 15, 2006 14:11:45 GMT -5
I dog on both. Springsteen and Neil are both Cheesy Yuppie Music. There. I said it. Oh, I SO disagree. But then again, it would require a CHEESY Yuppie to try and pull off a sincere appreciation of both Young and Springsteen, so you may have something there. At any rate, there's nothing whatsoever "Yuppie" about Springsteen, who is possibly the most down-to-earth "rock star" currently recording. The guy has written songs about serial killers ("Nebraska") and fatal car crashes ("Wreck on the Highway"), fer crying out loud. When I think "Yuppie" these days, it's pretty much all about Bon Jovi's duet with Sugarland (where's a barf bag when you need one?) and country crossover crap like Keith Urban, Faith Hill and that wretched Big & Rich combo. That's pretty much where the yuppie dollars are going. I don't think Neil has ever appealed to yuppies, either. Too much of a rebel and way too infatuated with extremely distorted Gibson guitars. So maybe there are some yuppies out there who think they can temporarily ditch the yuppie tag by buying Springsteen's last album (which is almost total crap, anyway) or going to see a production of Greendale when that starts happening... Cheesy, man! That's cheesy. You only keep up with either one of those guys if you've already become a fan a long, long time ago. They aren't out to make a whole lot of new fans (I certainly hope that's not what Bruce was thinking when he put out that Seeger Sessions shit lollipop). |
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Post by Galactus on Jul 15, 2006 14:52:56 GMT -5
Almost everything was produced by David Briggs and engineered by Tim Mulligan until Briggs' death in 1995, since then he's self produced his albums usually with Ben Kieth. Though I'm sure throughout his career Neil got his way more often then not.
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Post by Galactus on Jul 15, 2006 14:55:00 GMT -5
But then again, it would require a CHEESY Yuppie to try and pull off a sincere appreciation of both Young and Springsteen, so you may have something there.
What the hell does this even mean?
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Post by Galactus on Jul 15, 2006 15:00:51 GMT -5
I get that feeling sometimes when I listen to Tom Waits, I love Tom Waits but sometimes it occurs to that this is what middle aged hipsters listen to when they want to feel edgy.
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Post by phil on Jul 15, 2006 15:17:50 GMT -5
HÉ ! That's exactly how I felt almost 30 years AGO when I saw Tom Waits in concert for the first time ...  |
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JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Jul 15, 2006 15:20:34 GMT -5
But then again, it would require a CHEESY Yuppie to try and pull off a sincere appreciation of both Young and Springsteen, so you may have something there.What the hell does this even mean? No need for expletives...I was only working off of what Skvor had said... What the HELL does it mean, then? Skvor called their music "Cheesy Yuppie Music" and so I said it would be a cheesy yuppie that would try and front an appreciation for Springsteen and/or Young. Now what the HELL don't you understand about that? What's with yer tone, anyway? |
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Post by Galactus on Jul 15, 2006 15:46:54 GMT -5
Oh, no tone. It didn't and still doesn't make any sense to me that you'd have to be a "cheesy yuppie" to genuinely appreciate both artists.
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JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Jul 15, 2006 17:03:36 GMT -5
Oh, no tone. It didn't and still doesn't make any sense to me that you'd have to be a "cheesy yuppie" to genuinely appreciate both artists. Well, obviously you've misunderstood, because that's not what I said. Did you read Skvor's post, which is the one I was responding to? If not, by doing so you might find the context of what I'm trying (and apparantly failing) to say. Regardless...I was merely trying to disagree with Skvor and do so in a light-hearted manner, as I generally respect his opinions and did not want to give him the impression that it was anything worth much division over. |
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Post by rockysigman on Jul 15, 2006 17:06:04 GMT -5
Group hug.
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Post by Galactus on Jul 15, 2006 17:10:51 GMT -5
I guess I misunderstood what you meant...I wasn't trying to be confrontational. No biggie.
Rocky, I refuse to hug you while you're wearing a sailor suit. It's just a personal rule of mine.
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Post by Kensterberg on Jul 15, 2006 17:20:23 GMT -5
I'll meet Skvor half-way as well ... bad Neil Young really blows, and Neil's never cut an album that doesn't have some filler (at best) on it. The man simply can't tell the difference between his well executed stuff, what needs more work, and what are simply bad ideas. While his best material deserves the sort of acclaim he normally gets (The Needle and the Damage Done; Hey Hey, My My; Rockin' in the Free World; etc.), he is perhaps the most erratic major artist in rock and roll. I probably like Neil Young more than you do, Ken, but it's not normally Neil's job to "tell the difference between his well executed stuff, what needs more work, and what are simply bad ideas"...I don't know the extent to which Neil produces his own albums, but that is definately the job of the PRODUCER. Of course, Neil's got the clout to produce his own albums if/when he wants to, and like I said, I don't know the ratio of his stuff which he's produced himself as opposed to outseide producers. Young has kind of bullyed his record labels, and really THEY should shoulder some of the blame for not INSISTING that he use one at least most of the time. Producers are even more important when it's a BAND being recorded (as opposed to solo artists) because there's never going to be a time when all of the band members are going to agree about the recording they're doing. The producer has the power to lower the boom and say when the song is DONE, and it really doesn't matter if it sounds like "what it sounds like in the heads of the writers" or not. That's why you need a producer with exceptional taste and a confirmed "good ear" (which is why Brian Eno, Daniel Lanois, Todd Rudgren & Steve Lillywhite, among others, get so much work)... This has been my complaint about Young for years -- he won't work with anyone who will disagree with him, who'll say "this isn't the best idea you've ever had." Young has never had a collaborator like Jon Landau, who really focused Bruce and gave him direction. There are damn few artists who can self-produce without falling into self-indulgence, and Young isn't among them. And if you won't (or can't) edit yourself, then you need someone who will. The fact that Young never has it what makes him a second tier artist, IMHO. Well below Tom Petty, or even Wilco, IMHO. |
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Post by phil on Jul 15, 2006 17:47:42 GMT -5
The fact that Young never has it what makes him a second tier artist, IMHO. Well below Tom Petty, or even Wilco, IMHO. HÉ ! Put him also well under Jim Morrison but just a tad over Abba while you're at it ...! !
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jul 15, 2006 18:36:56 GMT -5
Hey, I like ABBA!!!!!!!
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jul 15, 2006 18:43:54 GMT -5
No worries, JAC, I personally think that as a person Springsteen is alright. I don't really have a beef with any person on a personal level that does music. Some of it just resonates more with me than others. The deal with Sprinsteen is that I like a few of his songs but his latest is just a snoozefest. I really feel like Pete Seeger should kick the shit out of him for that album as I feel like he ruined most of them. I honestly just think he lost it after "Tunnel of Love". I also don't think that they consciously make Yuppie music, it's just that yuppies like to listen to them. They also like Weezer, The Dixie Chicks, Sheryl Crow, The Black Crowes, and a slew of others that at times can show some talent, but in the end fall flat in the land of could be better, doesn't suck as much as Linkin Park.
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Post by phil on Jul 15, 2006 18:55:17 GMT -5
Somehow I'm not surprised !! |
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