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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 16:27:39 GMT -5
And listen to Lost in the Supermarket, for Topper's subtle cymbal work throughout the song. He keeps the whole thing moving without it ever turning clunky. A big part of what makes London Calling so brilliant is the way that the music never gets heavy-handed or leaden, and that's Topper.
And his vocal on Ivan Meets G.I. Joe is as effective as any singing drummer who isn't named Collins or Henley. As a singing drummer, he was a hell of a lot better than Moon, for example. (Speaking of which, IMHO Henley shouldn't count as a drummer - by the man's own admission he's not very good at it, he doesn't typically play percussion on his own records, and the only reason he played drums in the Eagles was b/c they already had too many frontmen). (And in another aside, Phil Collins is really underrated as a percussion player. Check out Duke and Abacab by Genesis, or Phil's first solo record, to get a feel for what the man could do when he wasn't too weighted down by MOR sap).
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 8, 2006 16:29:46 GMT -5
And his vocal on Ivan Meets G.I. Joe is as effective as any singing drummer who isn't named Collins or Henley. As a singing drummer, he was a hell of a lot better than Moon, for example. And what about Meg White? By now I know you've heard her brilliant vocal on "In the Cold, Cold Night".  That's why Henley is mixed in with the jokey-answers, dude. I didn't really expect anyone on that list after Steven Adler to get any votes (other than Animal). |
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 16:29:52 GMT -5
Moon Did everything Bonham did...This is just not true, Bonzo and Moon had completely styles. Bonham redefined rock drumming and while it's true people are still trying to figure out how to play like Moon he was never the standard and some ways Bonham still is. I admit to never wanting to listen to one of his drum solos again but in the context of the songs Bonham and JPJ were the best back bone in the history of rock, he played complicated stuff at times but I don't think you could say he overplayed. Sure I can: Bonham overplayed. See? I just did it. ;D Actually, Bonham and Jones are by far the least objectionable members of Led Zep, by any measure. So I'll stop bashing Bonzo ... I'm sure there are some other targets here I can fire a few rounds at ... |
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 16:34:04 GMT -5
I love Meg's vocal on "Cold Cold Night." The first time that played, I literally had to stop what I was doing. Great song, great performance. Reminded me a lot of Mo's turns with the Velvets, only creepier. Yeah, that's a great piece. I was sure Henley was a joke answer, but somebody had asked earlier if he should qualify, and I figure since I'm a big admirer of his solo material, I'm qualified to say that he has no place behind a drum kit. When I saw him here a few years back, the closest thing to percussion he played was to shake a maracca during a Norteno-flavored take on "Hotel California" (complete with saucy Mexican trumpet, which was totally unexpected and a high point of the concert: great to see a very serious man find some levity in one of his most serious songs). Yeah, I'd be very surprised if anyone voted for any of those last few names. Well, except for Animal, of course.  |
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 8, 2006 16:38:35 GMT -5
I love Meg's vocal on "Cold Cold Night." The first time that played, I literally had to stop what I was doing. Great song, great performance. Reminded me a lot of Mo's turns with the Velvets, only creepier. Yeah, that's a great piece. Haha, really? 'Cause I was sort of joking. Her vocal is, IMO, pretty bad. I've heard live recordings of it that sounded better. It's definately better than her vocal on "Passive Manipulation" though. Her voice has its charm, but technically it's horrendous. I suppose some people would say the same for her drumming though. Did he open with "Hotel California"? Because one of my cousins saw the Eagles on their reunion tour a few years back, and he said that they were opening with it, which is just ridiculous. Where did they go from there? After opening with that, were people in the audience glued to the edge of their seats waiting for "Take It Easy" or "Witchy Woman"? I mean, come on. |
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 16:41:48 GMT -5
Hotel California was the closer of the show I saw. He opened with Dirty Laundry, which was absolutely perfect.
No, I really liked Cold, Cold Night. It's a weak vocal, but it's supposed to be a weak vocal, just like After Hours with Tucker singing lead. The song would lose it's effectiveness if it had a strong singer.
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 8, 2006 16:45:02 GMT -5
Back when I used to see the Stripes fairly often, they did a cover of Loretta Lynn's "Rated X". Early on, Jack sang it. In later shows, Jack started it but they sang most of it together. The last couple times I saw it, Meg was singing it herself. Definately her best vocal that I've heard. Much better than "In the Cold, Cold Night", "Passive Manipulation" or her co-vocal on "It's True That We Love One Another". IMO, anyway. She does have a cute little voice though.
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 16:50:16 GMT -5
You know, Rocky, if anyone has a right to claim "You guys don't understand how great this is: I was there and I experienced it first hand" as a basis for their judgment on a band, it's you and the White Stripes ... or most of the other Detroitish bands. You probably have more first-hand exposure to a major band during their most important years than everyone else on the boards combined. The fact that you aren't just a raving White Stripes fanatic speaks volumes for your innate musical taste, sophistication, and judgment.
But if you start saying that the White Stripes are better than the Beatles or the Clash, I'll take that entire last sentence back.
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 8, 2006 16:58:53 GMT -5
Nah. The Stripes aren't better than the Clash even on my personal list. And though they're definately more important to me on a personal level than the Beatles are (by a long shot), I'm obviously not gonna try to make any big claims there.
Actually, though, several of my friends saw them a couple years before I did. I caught onto them at the very last moment before they broke nationally (my first time seeing them was the White Blood Cells record release party, so a few months before "Fell in Love With a Girl" really hit--that was by far the most people I ever saw at that place though, so I think everyone pretty much knew they were about to break big). A few of my friends from college first saw them back around the time of the first album, as they went to high school with Jack White's nephew. Now they really saw the entire arc of their path to fame. I caught a couple smaller shows, and then a few while they were kind of on the way up. It was definately weird seeing them playing the Masonic Temple (capacity 4,404) just a few years after seeing them at the Magic Stick (capacity 210), though.
I think everyone who was into the local Detroit rock scene between around 2000-2005 has some White Stripes connection, or at least claims one.
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 8, 2006 17:03:14 GMT -5
My step-mother saw the Sex Pistols play at some little dive bar in London in 1976. She didn't know who they were, though, until a couple years later and it took her a while to make the connection and realize that she'd seen them. She listens exclusively to new country music. That would be a pretty kick ass story if it was anyone else other than her. What a waste.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Dec 8, 2006 17:05:38 GMT -5
I'm going to be totally egosistical and write in myself.
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 17:09:38 GMT -5
Good idea, Skvor.
Hey, maybe I should start a poll for greatest rock and roll tuba player. It'll be between me, Opus, and whoever played tuba and baritone horn for The Band. I'm bound to get at least my own vote!
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Dec 8, 2006 17:13:35 GMT -5
Was tempted by Bill Ward, Keith Moon and of course, Animal, but went with Bonzo.
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Post by Galactus on Dec 8, 2006 17:14:21 GMT -5
I've never heard Skvor play but I know he's better then Mo Tucker and probably everyone under Travis Barker...hell, I'm better then Mo Tucker and everyone under Travis Barker, except Animal of course...
*air drums solo from Inna Gadda Da Vida...I'm awesome....
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 8, 2006 17:17:23 GMT -5
I've never heard Skvor play but I know he's better then Mo Tucker and probably everyone under Travis Barker...hell, I'm better then Mo Tucker and everyone under Travis Barker, except Animal of course... *air drums solo from Inna Gadda Da Vida...I'm awesome.... Even though you're wrong about Mo, this is a great post. In a fair and just world, this might even have made POTD. But this world is neither fair nor just, so you'll just get an honorable mention here. Though I bet you could keep better time than Henley or everyone except Mo and Animal under Travis Barker. |
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