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Post by loudaab on Feb 15, 2007 22:48:00 GMT -5
No, you can think about whatever idiotic thing that you want to. The problem is that you address other people as if they're supposed to give a shit about it. We don't. Then dont respond Genius! Ryo, I have several friends who play in bands and up until my son was born last year I would to their shows whenever they have them--now not so much... |
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Post by Ryosuke on Feb 15, 2007 23:29:48 GMT -5
Did they ever play on the same bill with non-rock bands? (I'm assuming that they were a rock act here - sorry if I'm wrong.) I'm asking this because I think that seeing a rock band play with a jazz band, or a reggae band, or a dub band or whatever really does give you an idea of how meaningless it is to take a rock-centered approach to music.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 16, 2007 0:23:09 GMT -5
That makes way too much sense for the ism that is EDWARD, Ryosuke. It's just the blind leading the blind with that one.
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Post by loudaab on Feb 16, 2007 12:40:51 GMT -5
Did they ever play on the same bill with non-rock bands? (I'm assuming that they were a rock act here - sorry if I'm wrong.) I'm asking this because I think that seeing a rock band play with a jazz band, or a reggae band, or a dub band or whatever really does give you an idea of how meaningless it is to take a rock-centered approach to music. I've seen plenty of live jazz Ryo. It's obvious to me that you thinking of rockjism in an old school sorta way. The manner in which rockjism has evolved since the 80s is a very complicated issue. But the essense of rockjism revolves around quality, identifing quality music from lesser music and attempting to explain why. That's why Rockists can tout jazz, country music, even hip hop in this day and age. The reason rockjism is called rockjism is because when the term originated Rock music had been the standard since the 60s in terms of critical, commercial and cultural success. |
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Post by Galactus on Feb 16, 2007 12:44:02 GMT -5
Did they ever play on the same bill with non-rock bands? (I'm assuming that they were a rock act here - sorry if I'm wrong.) I'm asking this because I think that seeing a rock band play with a jazz band, or a reggae band, or a dub band or whatever really does give you an idea of how meaningless it is to take a rock-centered approach to music. I've seen plenty of live jazz Ryo. It's obvious to me that you thinking of rockjism in an old school sorta way. The manner in which rockjism has evolved since the 80s is a very complicated issue. But the essense of rockjism revolves around quality, identifing quality music from lesser music and attempting to explain why. That's why Rockists can tout jazz, country music, even hip hop in this day and age. The reason rockjism is called rockjism is because when the term originated Rock music had been the standard since the 60s in terms of critical, commercial and cultural success. It's referred to as "elitism" by most common folk. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Feb 16, 2007 13:27:15 GMT -5
haha, youch
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 16, 2007 15:01:13 GMT -5
Did they ever play on the same bill with non-rock bands? (I'm assuming that they were a rock act here - sorry if I'm wrong.) I'm asking this because I think that seeing a rock band play with a jazz band, or a reggae band, or a dub band or whatever really does give you an idea of how meaningless it is to take a rock-centered approach to music. The reason rockjism is called rockjism is because when the term originated Rock music had been the standard since the 60s in terms of critical, commercial and cultural success. You are aware that there were massive amounts of pop hits that were ingrained in popular culture before the 60s? Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, not to mention pop standards, The Carter Family, Country Music, what used to be called "Race Music" was huge and had their own releases on cylindar and 78 records. There was the flapper movement, which was during the 20s during the Jazz Age. Here is a great example of why I don't like "rockjism" that was pointed out on the entry in Wikipedia: Some critics of rockjism have alleged that it is a racist, sexist and/or homophobic ideology, in that the artists it privileges with the label of authenticity are predominantly heterosexual white males; the genres of music attacked by rockist criticism as less authentic than rock have included many black musical genres (hip-hop, R&B), genres associated with the gay community (disco, house) and pop music, where female performers such as Madonna (often charged by rockist critics with inauthenticity and trading on image over substance) have often found success. |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 16, 2007 15:06:48 GMT -5
Another great thing about so called "rockjism" by Douglas Wolk in the Seattle Times article "Thinking About rockjism":
Is rockjism a bad thing? Well, yeah, it is, and nobody's free of it; I'm sure not. But it's pernicious because it makes it harder to understand any other kind of music on its own terms, and it chains both artists and their audience to an ideal rooted in a particular moment of the past, in which a gifted lyricist is by default a "new Dylan" (not a new Charley Patton, not a new Bill Withers, and especially not herself), in which the songwriter and the singer and the main instrumentalist are all on the stage and preferably the same person, in which any instrumentation for performance other than guitar-bass-drums-vocals-and-maybe-keyboards is some kind of novelty, because that is what's normal. Writers don't think this way because "19th Nervous Breakdown" is our favorite song; we do it unconsciously because it's the language we all internalized as pop-magazine-obsessed kids. And it trickles down to everyone who reads what we write.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 16, 2007 15:08:30 GMT -5
I also like that whenever you type in "rockjism" in google, it automatically asks "did you mean racism".........
Too funny.
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 16, 2007 15:25:18 GMT -5
I also like that whenever you type in "rockjism" in google, it automatically asks "did you mean racism"......... Too funny. LMAO! The Google can be pretty smart sometimes.  |
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Post by loudaab on Feb 16, 2007 18:06:32 GMT -5
Read my blog--it addresses the musically moronic who claim that rockjism is racist... The reason rockjism is called rockjism is because when the term originated Rock music had been the standard since the 60s in terms of critical, commercial and cultural success. You are aware that there were massive amounts of pop hits that were ingrained in popular culture before the 60s? Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, not to mention pop standards, The Carter Family, Country Music, what used to be called "Race Music" was huge and had their own releases on cylindar and 78 records. There was the flapper movement, which was during the 20s during the Jazz Age. Here is a great example of why I don't like "rockjism" that was pointed out on the entry in Wikipedia: Some critics of rockjism have alleged that it is a racist, sexist and/or homophobic ideology, in that the artists it privileges with the label of authenticity are predominantly heterosexual white males; the genres of music attacked by rockist criticism as less authentic than rock have included many black musical genres (hip-hop, R&B), genres associated with the gay community (disco, house) and pop music, where female performers such as Madonna (often charged by rockist critics with inauthenticity and trading on image over substance) have often found success. AGAIN, Read my blog--all of these issues are already addressed there. I've seen plenty of live jazz Ryo. It's obvious to me that you thinking of rockjism in an old school sorta way. The manner in which rockjism has evolved since the 80s is a very complicated issue. But the essense of rockjism revolves around quality, identifing quality music from lesser music and attempting to explain why. That's why Rockists can tout jazz, country music, even hip hop in this day and age. The reason rockjism is called rockjism is because when the term originated Rock music had been the standard since the 60s in terms of critical, commercial and cultural success. It's referred to as "elitism" by most common folk. I guess that's what makes them common folk then, isn't it? |
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 16, 2007 18:08:12 GMT -5
Stop spamming the boards about your blog.
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Post by loudaab on Feb 16, 2007 18:16:32 GMT -5
Stop spamming the boards about your blog. Rocky, why are you so god damned uptight, man? Jesus Fuck, smoke some weed and chill out, Little fella. You're never gonna get laid with such an anal attitude...unless you're gay ofcourse... |
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Post by RocDoc on Feb 16, 2007 18:22:35 GMT -5
There's the Bozo approach!
The denouement to any argument that he's hopelessly fucking lost...
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Post by maarts on Feb 16, 2007 18:22:47 GMT -5
Is this where the abuse starts, PEW?
Keep it up, that'll be the quickest way out of the door for good.
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