Best Pink Floyd Album

[wayved]

no ill will man! I just dont get the Overrated thing. Back then it was probably a big deal. And I know to me, when I heard Piper for the first time in the late eighties I was like--"Why cant they make more albums like this! Why am I surrounded by Skid Row and Poison and Ugly Kid Joe?"

Absolutely. Pet Sounds took all the chances in the book--but the predecessor to that--TODAY--took just as many (though less obvious). At least on side two. Pet Sounds took it all the way though.

I just have a hard time with the word OVERRATED. If it enhances your life--makes you cry, makes you laugh, makes you ask-WHAT WAS THAT?? then to me thats a good thing. I cant have an "overrated" conversation about an albums that came out 7 or eight years before I was born--I dont know the impact they had in their time. (i figure Pet Sounds, Piper, and VU and Nico didnt have much impact at all until later--am I wrong here?) If I like it thats it. I would love to be a critic and get paid for it but I would be a very poor one.....

[Galactus]

Yeah, overrated is overused, I'm certainly guilty of it.

[sisyphus]

good call, wave. it's an obtuse term that doesn't really say anything beyond conveying the idea that a lot of people like it while the user of the term doesn't really approve. then again, if its use is accompanied with a good reason for why the object of its derision has earned the label, it morphs into something more interesting: a substantiated opinion.

and opinions, when honestly expressed (sans desires to mock or ridicule) are what keep life interesting. i know what ya mean though. you can never really understand the impact music might have on a different generation from yours, and even a different demographic. my hat is off to anyone who has the guts and the ego to produce it and make their cries heard.

[sisyphus]

oh how i hated skid row. i remember vaguely getting into ugly kid joe, though.

[sisyphus]

wayved said:

DED-Pet Sounds has nothing to do with Pink Floyd! Totally different. Frank Zappa was just whacked to begin with. And great.

Overrated--what does that mean--that people get pleasure from it? Ive heard alot of people say My Bloody Valentine is overrated. Ugly Kid Joe thinks sex is overrated. Who gives a shit?

Wish You Were Here is SMOOTH JAZZ to my ears. Like I said I have not heard it in a decade....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Im tired of wasting time on this boring argument. (read: i have no ammunition for it!) I love early Pink Floyd. So what? Im wrong youre right. Whatever!

Facing facts--Early Pink Floyd was all experimental and crazy. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didnt. So what? I wasent around when they came out but those albums are pretty cool now--the so called cultural signifigance is still there.

I like Pink Floyd. I especially dig the early stuff. Sure--I cant compare Piper to Rubber Soul but that desnt mean its RUBBISH. I like Hermans Hermits too. And the Easybeats. And the Velvet Underground. PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN is alright.

wayved, why do rock so much?!!! i absolutely love the way you express yourself. you're a good honest egg. you love yourself and therefore know how to love the world. you're beyond e-prime. kudos to the enth degree!

[Rit]

yes, Wayved has got a very awesome style.

[Galactus]

When I use "overrated" I generally mean I think it's an easy answer, one of those that's just accepted without much thought. DSOTM is similar, it's the more mainstream answer whereas Piper says "I'm arty, sophisticated music fan...I'm a quailfied rockist". That's no to say I don't think people don't genuinely love those albums, clearly they do. Clearly some of you do. I just like really geeked out pointless debate.

[Paul]

I voted 'all PF sux'.

actually, i do enjoy some of their songs, but not entire albums. i need to make a mix of piper, medley, animals, the wall, dsotm, and wywh and i'd have one pink floyd album i dig.

[Paul]

ded said:

When I use "overrated" I generally mean I think it's an easy answer, one of those that's just accepted without much thought. DSOTM is similar, it's the more mainstream answer whereas Piper says "I'm arty, sophisticated music fan...I'm a quailfied rockist". That's no to say I don't think people don't genuinely love those albums, clearly they do. Clearly some of you do. I just like really geeked out pointless debate.

this makes sense to me.

hell, i use overrated/underrated all the time. i.e. "stairway to heaven' = most overrated rock song ever. imo, that is 100% fact.

[Thorngrub]

ded/DSOTM:

I remember listening to DSOTM for the first time when I was about thirteen. This would've been around the year 1978.
Of course I was 100% "straight-edge" then - as I would be throughout my entire high school career. (I did not become initiated into the woozy world of weed until college)
To say the music and lyrics of DSOTM "blew my young mind away" has got to be the understatement of the fucking century, for me. Every nuance, from the faint heartbeat at the beginning, until the final, barely whispered "There is no dark side of the moon really, matter of fact its all dark" lodged into my consciousness a permanent love for the strikingly lucid, creative beauty of this band's music. It had abso - fuckin' - lutely ZERO to do with a)demographics b)popular opinion c)mainstream appeal d)or any other fucking thing aside from what my young ears & brain took in from this one-of-a-kind studio recording that no other assembly of talented musicians could ever match in scope, depth, intensity, or holistic musical synthesis ever again. To note the studio recording of DSOTM was "ahead of its time" is to again make the understatement of the century. Do you think I was aware of all that at the tender age of 13 ? Fuck no. All I knew, was I had never heard anything like it -- and guess what -? I have yet to hear anything like it, to this day, 28 fucking years and a hundred odd bands later!

I maintain the music on DSOTM cannot really be "overrated" as much as it can be "underappreciated", straight up. So try and see it that way - - push aside your ego & admit it: "DSOTM is underappreciated by me", and that makes a hell of a lot more sense.


Paul/Stairway To Heaven

Yet another example of the above. Do you think for one red hot minute that my 12 -year old ears, exposed to this song for the very first time, had any god damn clue as to where the legend of this band was going in the future ? Course not. I simply listened to it as I would any other fucking song, whether it was peformed by Captain Kangaroo, the Beatles, or some nameless pop star on the radio. Truth of the matter in this case, is that I used to lift the needle back up just as soon as the song was done, and play it again and again and again and again and again and again and again, each and every time I would lay on my 12-yr old back and stare at the ceiling whilst my mind literally became lost in the unprecedented rocking out which explosively carried me on a wave of dynamic music such as my young mind could never have fathomed possible in a hundred billion years of evolution ! Mother FUCK! Stairway To Fucking Heaven is one of the truly great songs in the entire canon of rock and roll and if you don't think so you are a product of modern indy sensibilities which is perfectly ok I'm not knocking it I'm just saying.

Wanna hear another song my young mind would cue up for endless repeated listenings until I was blue in the fucking face ?

"Dream On" by Aerosmith, bitches. One of the greatest fucking songs ever written and I don't give a fuck what any dispirited 21st century lost boy or girl has to say about it, ya weren't there were ya when tha shit dropped, fuckin' INDY MUSIC DID NOT EXIST IN THOSE DAYS, and back then Aerosmith were the token "bad boys" of rock 'n' roll and for damn good reason: their first 5 albums fuckin' smoked and kicked the ASSES of all the other bands around like ELO or Bad Company or Foreigner, hell Aerosmith provided straight-up from the heart passionate vocals & down & dirty lyrics by one STeve Tyler (channeling James fucking Brown and Mick Jagger no less), the most badass fiery guitar licks by one now Legendary Joe fuckin' Perry, and the sickest rhythm guitar crunchiness from Mr. Brad Whitford, some evil bass riffage from Tom Hamilton (I fucking dare you to cue up the song "Back In The Saddle" and CRANK it, if that ain't one of the sickest bass lines in rock history I don't know wtf is), all supported by the backbone of one of the industry's best drummers of all time, always underappreciated I'll tell you that -- I've seen him perform live and I know -- Mr. Joey fuckin' Kramer, give it up for him, he's one of the greats.

Now look around you today. Nothing but DISrespect for this band, nothing but citing their later, more commercial "sellout" twilight years and complete and total disregard for their early days when they ruled the roost, well thoRny ain't havin' none of that Selective Memory, that shit is for the birds, the brainwashed, and the "too young to know any better", so I can't say I really hold it against y'all.

/end rant

[Fuzznuts]

^^I didn't read any of that.

[Thorngrub]

It woulda gone over yer head anyway ;b

[Galactus]

Fuzz, He said 'e liked ELO and Bad Company or something like that.

[Fuzznuts]

Well now you're speaking my language!

[Ayinger]

Crossed my mind today how I couldn't think of any Floyd album except for The Final Cut that's been re-issued with bonus tracks. I realize how it may be hard to tack on material to an album like DSOTM but damn I'd think there'd have to be some unearthed sitting in a vault somewhere.......believe a handful were tossed onto that boxset put out years back and there has been the odd single grabbed up on Relics or Works but I really haven't seen much else as a legitimate release.