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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 6, 2007 22:20:29 GMT -5
Excellent rant, thorny! Anyone who overlooks the downright brilliance of DSOTM loses a whole lotta credibility w/ me. Musically, I simply cannot relate to anyone not being floored by this album. I'd be much more likely to trust a recommendation for some other band from someone who knows what a perfect piece of art DSOTM is. Many hip, intelligent people think nothing of it, which goes to show that intelligence and hipness don't have shit to do with having good taste. I heard about a man who was saying of the Mona Lisa, "What's the big deal?" and a man beside him said, "Sir, the Mona Lisa is not on trial here. You are." This explains precisely the way I feel about DSOTM. Like thorny I listened to this album years before I ever touched drugs and I can't begin to comprehend how a group of guys could put together something so perfect.
If there were ever a need to use the word overrated it would be for the Clash.
Oh, and I think Dream On is damn near perfect too. So is Dust In the Wind even though I can't bear to sit through a single other Kansas song. Stairway To Heaven is so brilliant is scares me. How many times it's been played on the radio over the years doesn't change that fact.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 6, 2007 23:15:29 GMT -5
Excellent rant, thorny! Anyone who overlooks the downright brilliance of DSOTM loses a whole lotta credibility w/ me. Musically, I simply cannot relate to anyone not being floored by this album. I'd be much more likely to trust a recommendation for some other band from someone who knows what a perfect piece of art DSOTM is. Many hip, intelligent people think nothing of it, which goes to show that intelligence and hipness don't have shit to do with having good taste. I heard about a man who was saying of the Mona Lisa, "What's the big deal?" and a man beside him said, "Sir, the Mona Lisa is not on trial here. You are." This explains precisely the way I feel about DSOTM. Like thorny I listened to this album years before I ever touched drugs and I can't begin to comprehend how a group of guys could put together something so perfect. Replace every mention of DSOTM with Pet Sounds and you have my thoughts. I'm sure everyone has a different album for which this is true. |
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Post by Ryosuke on Mar 6, 2007 23:45:58 GMT -5
Anyone who overlooks the downright brilliance of DSOTM loses a whole lotta credibility w/ me. I can't think of any single album for which I would say something like this. Diversity of opinion is a good thing when it comes to music IMO, not a bad thing. |
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Post by sisyphus on Mar 7, 2007 15:46:25 GMT -5
go go ryo!  |
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Post by kmc on Mar 7, 2007 16:45:44 GMT -5
Excellent rant, thorny! Anyone who overlooks the downright brilliance of DSOTM loses a whole lotta credibility w/ me. Musically, I simply cannot relate to anyone not being floored by this album. I'd be much more likely to trust a recommendation for some other band from someone who knows what a perfect piece of art DSOTM is. Many hip, intelligent people think nothing of it, which goes to show that intelligence and hipness don't have shit to do with having good taste. I heard about a man who was saying of the Mona Lisa, "What's the big deal?" and a man beside him said, "Sir, the Mona Lisa is not on trial here. You are." This explains precisely the way I feel about DSOTM. Like thorny I listened to this album years before I ever touched drugs and I can't begin to comprehend how a group of guys could put together something so perfect. Replace every mention of DSOTM with Pet Sounds and you have my thoughts. I'm sure everyone has a different album for which this is true. Yeah, but Pet Sounds is a lot better than DSOTM. It's true. |
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Post by Galactus on Mar 7, 2007 16:46:57 GMT -5
Replace every mention of DSOTM with Pet Sounds and you have my thoughts. I'm sure everyone has a different album for which this is true. Yeah, but Pet Sounds is a lot better than DSOTM. It's true. It really is. |
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Post by kmc on Mar 7, 2007 16:59:32 GMT -5
I mean, I used to like DSOTM a lot. But knowing what I know now, I think DSOTM is wildly overrated. I don't think it matters one lick that thorn heard it first without the taint of time. Hell, you can apply that to anything. I could stand here and say "Semi-Charmed Life" is the best song ever because it was catchy as hell when it came out and, as such, if you can't appreciate it now, it's because you've been jaded by multiple listens. I mean, it just doesn't fly.
Fact is, good art remains good art regardless of when it came out. No one walks around here saying that the Beatles are shit because they haven't made new music since the late '60's. I think great arguments can be made for the facts that the music in DSOTM is not that interesting and that the lyrics aren't that good. I can expect people to disagree. But I refuse to believe that I am underrating DSOTM because (face it) it isn't even Pink Floyd's best album, and it is just not that good.
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 7, 2007 17:23:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but Pet Sounds is a lot better than DSOTM. It's true. It really is. I agree. And I don't even like Pet Sounds that much. |
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 8, 2007 18:15:46 GMT -5
Diversity of opinion is a good thing when it comes to music IMO, not a bad thing. True, true, but if someone tells me they think Bob Dylan and the Beatles suck, I can't say I'd consider a recommendation from them as strongly as I would from someone who digs 'em both. Know what I mean? But this brings up an interesting point. I would be more apt to trust a recommendation from someone who didn't like some of my favorite music rather than from someone who thought Nickelback, Creed and Hooter and the Blowjob were tha shit. Oh, and don't forget Nelson.  Diversity includes people who listen to that shit all the time or even CMT music. Yuck.
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Post by Ryosuke on Mar 8, 2007 19:51:41 GMT -5
but if someone tells me they think Bob Dylan and the Beatles suck, I can't say I'd consider a recommendation from them as strongly as I would from someone who digs 'em both. It all depends on context though. I'm much more likely to trust a recommendation from someone who hates the Beatles and Dylan but digs stuff like 65daysofstatic and Natsumen than someone who only listens to the Beatles, Dylan, Led Zep, the Clash and the like. I can't imagine anyone like that having any clue on modern music. I doubt anyone here would dispute that there's plenty of people out there with crap taste in music who listens to the Beatles and Dylan. Some will probably disagree, but I think the inverse is very much possible - for someone with excellent taste in music to dislike both of those. I just don't think you can judge (uh, I hate that word) someone's taste based just on their opinion towards a limited set of bands/albums. Oh, and Hooter and the Blowjob is an awesome name for a band. |
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Post by Galactus on Mar 8, 2007 20:11:21 GMT -5
I don't think claiming a love for Bob Dylan, The Beatles or Pink Floyd says much of anything about a person as a music fan. I don't think I'd put much trust in a recommendation from someone who only listens to ten or so bands no matter who those bands were. Diversity to me, means exposure to wide range of music and a well rounded appreciation for more the just a hand full of bands.
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Post by Ayinger on Mar 8, 2007 21:05:07 GMT -5
Diversity to me, means exposure to wide range of music and a well rounded appreciation for more the just a hand full of bands.
^ what DED said! ^
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Post by RocDoc on Mar 9, 2007 17:09:41 GMT -5
Paul/Stairway To Heaven
Yet another example of the above. Do you think for one red hot minute that my 12 -year old ears, exposed to this song for the very first time, had any god damn clue as to where the legend of this band was going in the future ? Course not. I simply listened to it as I would any other fucking song, whether it was peformed by Captain Kangaroo, the Beatles, or some nameless pop star on the radio. Truth of the matter in this case, is that I used to lift the needle back up just as soon as the song was done, and play it again and again and again and again and again and again and again, each and every time I would lay on my 12-yr old back and stare at the ceiling whilst my mind literally became lost in the unprecedented rocking out which explosively carried me on a wave of dynamic music such as my young mind could never have fathomed possible in a hundred billion years of evolution ! Mother FUCK! Stairway To Fucking Heaven is one of the truly great songs in the entire canon of rock and roll and if you don't think so you are a product of modern indy sensibilities which is perfectly ok I'm not knocking it I'm just saying.
Age-ist bastarrrd!
What makes you think your experience at the time of a particular era, makes your's superior to mine??
Grr.
KIDDING, just kidding!!
I've tried bringing out that point several times here, once actually getting some wild over-the-top completely mis-read reaction from Frag, kinda like that first paragraph said...
But having the context of certain of these bands' first songs knock you fucking DOWN, before the often inevitable over-playing of said song gets a Pavlovian wretch every time its on the radio.
I first a recording of 'Hendrix In Sweden' on a Chicago underground FM station, Triad, all the way back in 19fucking67, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady and all those now 'primitive' hits and nearly died in ecstasy, I was so blowed away...now he bloody flatout borRrresSs certain segments of us here... *cough*Holzman*cough*
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Post by Galactus on Mar 9, 2007 17:32:43 GMT -5
The first time I heard Stairway to Heaven I might have been ten. We'd gone out to diner and my brother were budding music enthusiasts. Somehow it came about that we'd never heard that particular classic and my father decided that had to change. We heard to the story of how he and my mother saw Zep and when they played Stairway you could hear a pin drop. We went home and gathered around the turntable and the song started and I couldn't believe my ears! What crap is this? This is the greatest song ever? My ass! I didn't actually become a Zeppelin fan for another two years when I borrowed II from my uncle. We'd been in the car and Livin' Lovin' Maid came on.
That faithful night we also listened to Nantucket Sleighride. It would be much longer before I got into Mountain.
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 12, 2007 11:55:33 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth tho' RocDoc -? yah I'm SICK of hearin' Stairway to fuckin' Heaven, Jeezuz ! No thanx I'm full I've had enuff. But I won't lose my respect for Zeppelin - not EVER. I may (and will, I guarantee it) continue to grow and my taste in music will continue to evolve and change shape. I will leave many classic bands I love today and yesterday behind in order to accomodate the new shit that keeps clamoring for attention. Hell, I've nearly out-played Pink Floyd by now; there's NO better way to kill a party~! But let's get real for one second. Is life nothing but a party ? Of course not. . . and those who think so, less power to em, & may they puke up their own guts at the porcelain altar come morning ! May they violate their taste for Vodka so utterly, they could not get near the smell of it for ten years w/out wanting to vomit up all over again!
Tastes evolve and move on, sure. But respect for certain artists, in my opinion, deserves immortalization, and by immortalization I do mean immortal-I-fuckin'-zation !
and Led Zeppelin, as well as PInk Floyd, despite being some of the biggest objects of current hi-browed derision, have earned their crowns for immortalization long before many plugged into Gnarls BArkley today were even born.
Hey I'm not knockin' anyone's personal taste in music - it's cool that ded was such a sophisticated youngster that even to his kid's ears, STairway To Heaven sounded like crap, I think that's great. More power to him ! There's too much diversity and talent in music today to argue about the merits of the classics (such as Zep or Floyd): if anyone doesn't "get it", that's fine ! Keep on keepin' on w/your unrivalled enjoyment of the lastest craze in popular music, I don't care if its the ARctic Monkeys, MOdest Mouse, the Mars Volta, or the Dixie Chicks, it's ALL good ~ !
But I do think that putting one's self in a space wherein one can glean an appreciation for what Zeppelin did (for rock music) and what Floyd did (for post-rock and a bit for prog as well), why that could only result in an even deeper enrichment for the appreciation of several dozen young bands cropping up today.
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Diversity includes people who listen to that shit all the time or even CMT music. Yuck.
