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Post by loudaab on Apr 10, 2007 13:01:45 GMT -5
OK, but Ken IS an expert when it comes to the Boss. List can be helpful, I like them. Its on the individual to further investigate...but comparing Ken's list to Pres. Bush and Iraq is a bit odd. If Ken made me a top 15 list of Bruce songs he thinks I should hear, I'd gladly listen. And if I liked those songs, I'd go out and get the albums he pulled them from. In instances like that, list are very helpful IMO. Ken may or may not be an expert on Springsteen. But is he also an expert on Seger? If he is comparing the two and is only an expert on one, then the comparison is going to be one-sided and any top ten list (that doesnt even conform to the bondaries of the comparison in question) arguing why one is better than the other is going to be totally biased and meaningless. |
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Post by Galactus on Apr 10, 2007 13:02:48 GMT -5
Well I have quite a few problems with Ken's Top Ten list. You folks probablly already know what I think of such devices of cliche like Top Ten lists. In short they only touch the surface of an issue--which in our short attention span culture seems to be enough for someone to pass themselves off as an expert. And what happens when you have someone passing themself off as an expert when in reality they dont know didily squat? Well in this country it can lead to them being elected president and getting the country involved in an illegal and unethical war. So lists dont impress me. Although I can see how they can be used as an advertising tool or to entice someone into a debate, but as far as being an actual source of knowledge to base an opinion--come on, give me a break, they are realy just nonsence--and everyone knows that. Honestly, how could anyone read this as anything other then baiting? |
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 10, 2007 14:54:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot one really big reason why Springsteen kicks Seger's ass:
Songs that have been hits for other artists. How many covers of Seeger tracks have ever been cut, much less been popular? In the late seventies and into the eighties, Bruce gave away at least an album's worth of material to other artists, and many of these are the kinds of songs that others could (and did!) build succesful albums around. Patty Smith scored her biggest commercial success with a bastardized version of "Because the Night" (frankly, I like Bruce's less overtly poetic lyrics), Manfred Mann's Earth Band scored their last chart success covering "Blinded by the Light," the Pointer Sisters and Natalie Cole both earned big hits with their recordings of "Fire" and "Pink Cadillac," respectively, and Dave Edmunds did a rollicking cover of "From Small Things Big Things One Day Come." Additionally, Joan Jett cut a version of "Light of Day," Bruce co-wrote and performed with Warren Zevon, worked with Miami Steve Van Zandt on a number of Southside Johnny albums, and wrote and produced material by Gary "U.S." Bonds. There are some others out there, but I think you get the general idea.
As far as I know, Parton and Rogers note for note reproduction of "We've Got Tonight" (a horribly maudlin number to begin with) is the only Seger cover to ever get any notice. As a songwriter, Seger just doesn't attract other artists the way Springsteen has. For that matter, when Seger tried to artistically put himself back together following the dead-end of Fire Lake, he used a cover of "Shame on the Moon" as the spotlight single for his comeback. Both men are capable of absolutely owning cover versions, but only Seger has ever used other people's material as the hook for his album sales. (For that matter, many of the best numbers on Live Bullet -- which IMO is the most complete record Seger ever cut -- are covers).
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 10, 2007 14:54:43 GMT -5
OK, but Ken IS an expert when it comes to the Boss. List can be helpful, I like them. Its on the individual to further investigate...but comparing Ken's list to Pres. Bush and Iraq is a bit odd. If Ken made me a top 15 list of Bruce songs he thinks I should hear, I'd gladly listen. And if I liked those songs, I'd go out and get the albums he pulled them from. In instances like that, list are very helpful IMO. Ken may or may not be an expert on Springsteen. But is he also an expert on Seger? If he is comparing the two and is only an expert on one, then the comparison is going to be one-sided and any top ten list (that doesnt even conform to the bondaries of the comparison in question) arguing why one is better than the other is going to be totally biased and meaningless. BTW, I didn't read any of this. |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Apr 10, 2007 16:13:18 GMT -5
Well I have quite a few problems with Ken's Top Ten list. You folks probablly already know what I think of such devices of cliche like Top Ten lists. In short they only touch the surface of an issue--which in our short attention span culture seems to be enough for someone to pass themselves off as an expert. And what happens when you have someone passing themself off as an expert when in reality they dont know didily squat? Well in this country it can lead to them being elected president and getting the country involved in an illegal and unethical war. So lists dont impress me. Although I can see how they can be used as an advertising tool or to entice someone into a debate, but as far as being an actual source of knowledge to base an opinion--come on, give me a break, they are realy just nonsence--and everyone knows that. Holy fuck, dude. Blogs are cliched you big ninney. Also, Ken has never claimed to be some touched-by-the-hand-of-god music critic with all of the answers unlike your ignorant ass, which you remind us of day in and day out. Also, taking a leap that top ten lists are the equivalent about lying our way into an unjust war is just about the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Dude, it's just an opinion and most of us are of the opinion that The Boss is still The Boss over Bob Seger. If that doesn't jive with you man, get over it. Also, last time I checked Republicans pimp out their blogs all of the time and political bloggers are some of the folks that brought down the Kerry campaign. So by your shortcuts-to-actually-thinking standards doesn't that mean that you are in part responsible for the re-election of George Bush? |
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Post by Galactus on Apr 10, 2007 17:25:32 GMT -5
Reason number 11 - Springsteen has never done a duet with Kid Rock.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Apr 10, 2007 17:38:01 GMT -5
Holy fuck, I had no idea. Seger did a duet with Kid Rock??? That is just terrible.
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Post by Galactus on Apr 10, 2007 22:24:30 GMT -5
Hey, I just remembered Thin Lizzy's blazing cover of Rosalie, but that's really the only good cover of a Seger song I can think of.
...Metallica's cover of Turn The Page isn't terrible.
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Post by wayved on Apr 10, 2007 22:38:00 GMT -5
Dont EVEN bring Jackson Browne into this!
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Post by wayved on Apr 10, 2007 22:51:51 GMT -5
I hope Jackson Browne didnt get involved with Kid Rock....Why do people hate Jackson Browne? Cos its MOR AOR? His stuff was alright. Dont f*&k with Browne. Whats next? People gonna bust on James taylor and shit. Cat Stevens. Joni Mitchell Vs Springsteen.
Why do I keep coming here? Its retarded.
THIS IS STUPID.
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Post by Galactus on Apr 10, 2007 22:55:11 GMT -5
FTR I like Jackson Browne and said he was better then Seger and since you bring it up so is James Taylor. One of the best concerts I've been to, JT.
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Post by Galactus on Apr 10, 2007 22:56:39 GMT -5
...matter of fact, I don't think anyone said anything bad about Jackson Browne...
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Post by wayved on Apr 10, 2007 23:33:08 GMT -5
Im a defensive jerk, ded. Sorry! I just cannot believe a Springsteen Vs. Seger board exists, and here I am wasting precious time on it. It is quite funny though....
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Post by rockysigman on Apr 11, 2007 0:01:12 GMT -5
I don't even like Springsteen, but this thread is ridiculous.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 11, 2007 11:06:37 GMT -5
Say what you will about Jackson Browne, but he's a hell of a lot better than that Blunt fucker singing "Beautiful" ... for that matter, Bread were better than that crap.
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