Bob Seger VS. Bruce Springsteen

[Galactus]

Seger would be more evenly matched against George Thorogood.

[loudaab]

wayved said:

I hope Jackson Browne didnt get involved with Kid Rock....Why do people hate Jackson Browne? Cos its MOR AOR? His stuff was alright. Dont f*&k with Browne. Whats next? People gonna bust on James taylor and shit. Cat Stevens. Joni Mitchell Vs Springsteen.

Cat Stevens is by far the best artist you mention in this post. Second is Joni Mitchell, then Springsteen, then Browne and James Taylor ("Fire and Rain" is about the only song of his that I can stomach).
I really havent heard enough Kid Rock to have an opinion on him.


Also, can someone point out any major differences between Springsteen "Pink Cadillac" and Seger's "Watch Her Strut"? These two songs are as about as close as you can get to being the same song without a lawsuit involved...and I wonder which one came first, hmmm? ;D

[JACkory]

If you can't hear the differences between "Pink Cadillac" and "Her Strut" it's no wonder you're championing Seger over Springsteen. You've obviously listened to TOO much music and it's all beginning to sound the same to you.
Musically, lyrically---there's very little similarity.

[JACkory]

loudaab said:

jackory said:

If you can't hear the differences between "Pink Cadillac" and "Her Strut" it's no wonder you're championing Seger over Springsteen. You've obviously listened to TOO much music and it's all beginning to sound the same to you.
Musically, lyrically---there's very little similarity.

Musically the are very similar, they are both driven by similar Roots Rock guitar lines. And lyrically they are both about Seductive women.
Same Samers. And these arent the only two songs that are very similar between these two Trad Rockers. Lyrically Springsteen revisits much of the same ground that Seger had already established. So many of Springsteens tunes owe a debt to 'Ramblin Gamblin man' that its not even funny. "Born to Run" for starters. "Hungry Heart" is another. Then there is also the lyrical similarities between "Weve got Tonight" and Sprinsteens "Prove it all night". Not to mention Springsteen borrowing heavily from "Rock and Roll Never Forgets" and "Old Time Rock and Roll" in his sqeamishly corny tune "Glory Days". I mean the list goes on and on.
The thing is that Seger was among the first Trad Rockers--a rather limited genre that simply encourages alot of going over the same territory.


...bw, when talking about Bob Seger look at hoe diverse the artists who covered him are: Waylon Jennings, Think Lizzy and Golden Earring, Kid Rock, Mettallica and Kenny Rogers. If that doesnt run the gamut, then I'm a monkeys uncle...

Actually "Pink Cadillac" is pretty much "driven" by the bass line. Trust me on this one. I know.
Plus, when I say the songs are musically dissimilar I'm talking about chord structure, instrumentation and effects, tempo...that kind of stuff. You know, the MUSIC stuff. "Louie Louie" and "Wild Thing" are musically similar. "Pink Cadillac" and "Her Strut" are not.
I don't know how you can compare them lyrically, either. "Her Strut" is about how men lust after women and how women use the power this gives them. "Pink Cadillac" is a more direct man-to-woman song (it's like one big long pick-up line). The only thing they really have in common is a strong sexual undercurrent.
As for "Prove It All Night" and "We've Got Tonight" having "lyrical similarities"...just about the only thing they have in common is the word "Night" in the titles.

Bob Seger "We've Got Tonight":

I know it's late, I know you're weary
I know your plans don't include me
Still here we are, both of us lonely
Longing for shelter from all that we see
Why should we worry, no one will care girl
Look at the stars so far away
We've got tonight, who needs tomorrow?
We've got tonight babe
Why don' you stay?

Deep in my soul, I've been so lonely
All of my hopes, fading away
I've longed for love, like everyone else does
I know I'll keep searching, even after today
So there it is girl, I've said it all now
And here we are babe, what do you say?
We've got tonight, who needs tomorrow?
We've got tonight babe
Why don't you stay?

I know it's late, I know you're weary
I know your plans don't include me
Still here we are, both of us lonely
Both of us lonely

We've got tonight, who needs tomorrow?
Let's make it ast, let's find a way
Turn out the light, come take my hand now
We've got tonight babe
Why don't you stay?
Why don't you stay?

Bruce Springsteen "Prove It All Night"

I've been working real hard, trying to get my hands clean,
Tonight we'll drive that dusty road from Monroe to Angeline,
To buy you a gold ring and pretty dress of blue,
Baby just one kiss will get these things for you,
A kiss to seal our fate tonight,
A kiss to prove it all night.

CHORUS
Prove it all night,
Girl there's nothing else that we can do,
So prove it all night, prove it all night,
And girl I'll prove it all night for you.

Everybody's got a hunger, a hunger they can't resist,
There's so much that you want, you deserve much more than this,
But if dreams came true, oh, wouldn't that be nice,
But this ain't no dream we're living through tonight,
Girl, you want it, you take it, you pay the price.

CHORUS
Prove it all night, prove it all night girl and call the bluff,
prove it all night, prove it all night and girl,
I prove it all night for your love.

Baby, tie your hair back in a long white bow,
Meet me in the fields out behind the dynamo,
You hear the voices telling you not to go,
They made their choices and they'll never know,
What it means to steal, to cheat, to lie,
What it's like to live and die.
CHORUS

[JACkory]

Looking at both of those lyrics I can see maybe a couple of similarities in regards to subject. I'm sure lots of songs tackle the same theme. But that's not what makes them good songs. There is little or no similarity between the originality and sheer lyrical craftsmanship of these two songs. Seger's is rote, by the numbers, saccharine, a song written for a cheesy B-grade romantic film. Springsteen's is tough yet tender, masculinely poetic, James Dean to Seger's Kenny Rogers. Comparing what really matters about these songs is like comparing the Beatles to the Bay City Rollers.

Yep.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Most of the music from the 60s and 70s is Root music based from Bluegrass, Blues, Hymnals, Country, Jazz, Gospel, and other forms of roots music that was perfected in this country.

Hank Williams preceeds both Springsteen and Seger and he referred to being born for the road and born for running long before those guys had record deals. It's what's referred to as a universal theme, sir. Seductive women and running from things are things that man has put into song for centuries now.

[loudaab]

hank williams was country, not rock. And yeah it is a common theme, which is why both songs are typicla of Trad Rock and its simple, commonman themes...

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Wasnt James Dean gay? Do you always find gay men to be "masculine"? You might want to talk to a therapist about that...


You know PEW, if someone jokes or makes fun of something over and over again, usually that person's insecurities over a person's sexuality are pretty representative of the fact that maybe you want to find some velvet hot dogs to suck on. Also, there is a huge community in the homosexual male community that is extraordinarily masculine and are totally into MEN.
Also, one's sexuality does not lessen the importance of their work and quite frankly, shouldn't really even be an issue. You might want to talk to a therapist over whatever down-low homosexual encounter that you had and just can't get over. You also might want to actually talk to people in the homosexual community so they can inform you that the "feminine male" stereotype is actually just that: A stereotype. I know that you are trying to push people's buttons but quite frankly, it's this kind of baiting that is the reason why I believe that Strat sticking up for you and allowing you to stay is goddamn annoying.

Also, again, you have never explained your preoccupation with this "authenticity" bullshit. Grow up, dude, go back to school, learn how to actually retain the information you read (instead of quoting ideas that you read somewhere on an Amazon.com review) and post with some courtesy and respect.

[loudaab]

First of all quit being such a self-rightous PC-analologist.
Second of all[tquote author=skvorisdeadsorta board=start thread=1176
000881 post=1176392779]Also, again, you have never explained your preoccupation with this "authenticity" bullshit. [/quote]
Yes I did--In this thread as a matter of fact. Go back and read it.

[JACkory]

loudaab said:

hank williams was country, not rock. And yeah it is a common theme, which is why both songs are typicla of Trad Rock and its simple, commonman themes...

jackory said:

Looking at both of those lyrics I can see maybe a couple of similarities in regards to subject. I'm sure lots of songs tackle the same theme. But that's not what makes them good songs. There is little or no similarity between the originality and sheer lyrical craftsmanship of these two songs. Seger's is rote, by the numbers, saccharine, a song written for a cheesy B-grade romantic film. Springsteen's is tough yet tender, masculinely poetic, James Dean to Seger's Kenny Rogers.

Wasnt James Dean gay? Do you always find gay men to be "masculine"? You might want to talk to a therapist about that...
I'll give you that each of these have a somewhat different vibe, but Segers is the more authtentic--down withthe working man, whereas Springsteen's song is catering once again to the clue-less Hipster wannabees whose idea of "cool" is the cornball James Dean pouty-lipped, collar up posuer flicks...ridiculous!
And isnt the Seger song 'Her Strut' also driven by the bassline?




And one more thing, did someone on this thread actually compare Clarance Clemons to this man:
www.altoreed.com/home.html

What the flippity fuck does James Dean supposedly being gay have to do with ANYTHING? And how does an appreciation for james Dean mean that I find gay men masculine? Is this your attempt at some sort of twisted humour?
You are one homophobic jack-off, dude. Just yesterday you tried to divert attention from your deleted posts by saying, in effect, "let's talk about the music". And then you post something like this? Why the hell anyone around here gives you the time of day is beyond me. I'm already regretting the time I've wasted conversing with you...I should have known you were nothing more than an antagonist who claims he listens to music all day long and yet doesn't have enough musical taste to see that Springsteen is superior to Seger in practically every way. YOU don't even believe that, do you? You think you're some kind of ressurected incarnation of Lester Bangs with your silly "rockjism" and your bloated blog that noone gives a flying fart about.
So piss on you, ya filthy vermin. I've got better things to do than try to have a serious discussion with an asshole who never should have been allowed back on these boards.
Furthermore if strat-0 doesn't ban your homophobic, adversarial ass pretty damn soon I am going to go on a hiatus that will last until word reaches me that your time here is through. And it WILL happen, I can guarantee it, because bastards like you are not tolerated for very long here. It's just a question of whether it will be sooner or later.

PS...I have a gay friend in New Mexico who would gladly show you how "masculine" some gay men are, by kicking your worthless ass, and trust me, he could do it.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Pew, in my opinion you have never explained it well. There have been several people on this forum alone, not to mention the countless other forums that you have tried to post your nonsense on, that have been able to find the contradictions and destroy your arguments time and time again.

Also, if compassion and care for one's fellow man is considered PC, then I will happily be labeled a self-righteous PC prick as long as I can.

Frankly, you can think what you want, I've just decided to make it my goal to change your perceptions of homosexuality.

Geez, dude when did you get all Religeous Right Republican on me?

[skvorisdeadsorta]

In the welcome board, I have started a poll to determine PEW's status and hopefully Strat will listen.

Don't stress though, Strat, I just want to get a feel what people really think of the guy.

[KooL]

loudaab said:

First of all quti being such a self-rightous PC-Prick.
Second of all:

skvorisdeadsorta said:

Also, again, you have never explained your preoccupation with this "authenticity" bullshit.

Yes I did--In this thread as a matter of fact. Go back and read it.

Sorry, I had to quote that cause I'm pretty sure PEW will delete/edit it.

btw PEW, for someone who supposedly has a "Masters In Writing", your spelling is atrocious. Unless of course at Columbia they allow you to take your finals using MS-Word with spellcheck enabled.

[JACkory]

Yeah, I saw where he called Skvor a PC-Prick. I'm glad you saved it, Kool. Just ONE MORE example of this asswipe doing something that JUST YESTERDAY he claimed he doesn't do.
PEW, you are a hypocrite of the worst sort, a liar and a fool. You could get a lot more done on your silly MySpace blog if you devoted 100% of your time to it. I encourage you to do just that.

[loudaab]

What part of "I'm only going to discuss matters related to music on this board" do you people not understand. Jac, Skvor adn Kool, if you want to engage in conversation with me on this board then it is going to have to be about music. If you want to discuss other things with me, then post them on one of the other boards--That's only fair, isnt it?
Good, then I hope I dont have to repeat this message in the future.