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Post by Ryosuke on Apr 10, 2007 23:41:36 GMT -5
All right I'll be honest, I'm pretty fucking sick of the Clash. They're slowly edging their way towards the "bands I used to love" category, along with U2, REM, and the fucking Beatles. So I guess they're in good company depending on your taste in music, but I've had enough of them.
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Post by Mary on Apr 10, 2007 23:43:08 GMT -5
i just voted for the police. everybody here already knows that i like the clash more than the police, and i hate being predictable, so what the fuck.
but of course, the clash are better. sorry to mess up your poll, melon....
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Post by Ryosuke on Apr 10, 2007 23:44:21 GMT -5
I think Melaun's desperate enough that he'll be happy with our votes, Mary.
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Post by Mary on Apr 10, 2007 23:45:06 GMT -5
All right I'll be honest, I'm pretty fucking sick of the Clash. They're slowly edging their way towards the "bands I used to love" category, along with U2, REM, and the fucking Beatles. So I guess they're in good company depending on your taste in music, but I've had enough of them. the beatles are the absolute kings of the "bands i used to love" category. i could not be more sick of them. U2 definitely belong there too, even though objectively speaking i still think war is an awesome album. REM were boring as shit from day 1, and they're still boring as shit today. the clash, however, while i don't listen to them all that often anymore....i've still got waaaaay too much nostalgia and sentimentalism about that band (i mean, they really are partially responsible for forming who i am today, i think) to ever relegate them to such a category. much love for strummer and jones and company, always. don't care if i never hear the beatles again, though. |
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Post by Ryosuke on Apr 10, 2007 23:57:22 GMT -5
Interestingly, the appeal of the Stones hasn't diminished for me that much. I mean, it's not like I listen to them with any regularity these days, but if you played "Rocks Off" or "Street Fighting Man" to me now, there's a good chance that I'll experience an urge to shake my ass.
I don't even know why that's so.
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Post by Paul on Apr 11, 2007 8:24:27 GMT -5
I get a bit tired of the Beatles, but c'mon, they are easily the best band in the history of the world. Pop culture icons, inventive music, 20+ #1 hits and were able to maintain artistic/creative, and critical acclaim. It's like they formed when the perfect storm was brewing. They will always and forever be the most important element of rock. No other band EVER will be able to match or top what they accomplished in just 7 years. The only real flaw I can think of w/ the Beatles is their lack of touring. How amazing would it have been to see them play the entire Abbey Road album in order in like a theatre setting? They copped out playing live, but they're still the best.
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Post by Mary on Apr 11, 2007 11:11:59 GMT -5
I get a bit tired of the Beatles, but c'mon, they are easily the best band in the history of the world. ... No other band EVER will be able to match or top what they accomplished in just 7 years. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with these statements. Especially the second one, which guarantees that the Beatles will never be dislodged from their spot as #1 simply because we have arbitrarily decided they deserve to stay there forever, regardless of who or what comes in the future. I don't see how any one of us could possibly state what will happen in the future and such a statement just demonstrates a rigid and dogmatic belief - and that's why I'm so sick of hearing how the Beatles were the greatest band ever - because it's basically just a dogma. I have no problem with anyone thinking that the Beatles were the best - but asserting it as some kind of incontrovertible fact that no one ELSE could possibly deny is surely just hubris. There have been sooooo many changes and sooooo many new directions in music since the 1960s, and the industry itself has changed and fragmented into so many niches, that it's impossible that a contemporary band could possibly have the same cultural impact - but I don't think that proves the superiority of the Beatles as a band in any way. It just means that the music industry is different today and the same resources and opportunity structures just aren't there anymore for a band to achieve such an iconic cultural place. The Beatles just don't speak to me anymore. At all. Once they did. Now they put me to sleep. I see no reason why I have to acknowledge that a band that puts me to sleep are "easily the best band in the history of the world". |
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 11, 2007 11:12:24 GMT -5
Paul -- the Beatles stopped touring b/c they couldn't hear themselves play over the screaming fans. The technology necessary to allow them to drown out their audience wasn't in place until pretty much the end of their run, and all four began to play gigs just before, during and after the break-up. It's just that by 1969, when amps were loud enough and "Beatlemania" had died down just a bit into something a bit more mature, those four guys could barely stand being in the same recording studio, much less living on the road together.
Listen to the Anthology series or any of the many bootlegs out there of the band's sessions from '68 and '69, these guys were still at the absolute top of their form when it came to playing music together. They were the best live band in England when they hit it big with "Please Please Me," and they were still the best live band in England when they wrapped up the rooftop "Get Back" jam.
But the Clash are still my pick for the greatest rock and roll band. Just because.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 11, 2007 11:14:33 GMT -5
Mary -- just wait till you're well into your thirties, haven't seriously listened to the Clash in ages, and stumble upon some young college grad who is absolutely in love with them. Watch how that can rekindle your own passion for "the only band that matters." You know what I'm talking about ...  |
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Post by Paul on Apr 11, 2007 11:44:31 GMT -5
I get a bit tired of the Beatles, but c'mon, they are easily the best band in the history of the world. ... No other band EVER will be able to match or top what they accomplished in just 7 years. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with these statements. Especially the second one, which guarantees that the Beatles will never be dislodged from their spot as #1 simply because we have arbitrarily decided they deserve to stay there forever, regardless of who or what comes in the future. I don't see how any one of us could possibly state what will happen in the future and such a statement just demonstrates a rigid and dogmatic belief - and that's why I'm so sick of hearing how the Beatles were the greatest band ever - because it's basically just a dogma. I have no problem with anyone thinking that the Beatles were the best - but asserting it as some kind of incontrovertible fact that no one ELSE could possibly deny is surely just hubris. There have been sooooo many changes and sooooo many new directions in music since the 1960s, and the industry itself has changed and fragmented into so many niches, that it's impossible that a contemporary band could possibly have the same cultural impact - but I don't think that proves the superiority of the Beatles as a band in any way. It just means that the music industry is different today and the same resources and opportunity structures just aren't there anymore for a band to achieve such an iconic cultural place. The Beatles just don't speak to me anymore. At all. Once they did. Now they put me to sleep. I see no reason why I have to acknowledge that a band that puts me to sleep are "easily the best band in the history of the world". OK, I can't predict the future, so maybe some other band will come along, but as fragmented as music is now, I just see it happening in our life time. That's why I said it's like the Beatles formed when the 'perfect storm' was brewing...everything was in the right place and right time, and the world was ready. I personally don't think another band will ever come around that will have such a significant impact. The last band to do so was maybe Nirvana, but they accomplished just a small fraction of what the Beatles did. |
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Post by Ryosuke on Apr 11, 2007 11:54:57 GMT -5
Arguing about the best band ever is like arguing about the best athlete ever. You can't really compare Michael Jordan with Maradona. It's pointless.
Fuck the Beatles and fuck the Clash.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Apr 11, 2007 13:05:46 GMT -5
Again, Ryosuke, volumes in a short sentence. Awesome.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 11, 2007 13:51:13 GMT -5
I think Madonna could kick Michael Jordon's ass, Ryo.
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Post by bowiglou on Apr 11, 2007 14:21:30 GMT -5
best athlete...oh, that is easy.... that would be me  |
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Post by bowiglou on Apr 11, 2007 14:24:36 GMT -5
well, this ol fogie, who adores both Beatles and Clash still has a very very soft and tender spot for the fab liverpoolian four........I tell ya, from the moment I saw them in Ed Sullivan show circa Feb of 1964 as an impressionable 7 year old they just resonated for me..and to this day, they still do,..so I have nary lost any of my adoration for the Beatles......but I can say the same for U2, Clash, Magazine, Fleetwood Mac (pre nicks-buckingham era), steely dan, rod stewart, doors, replacements, etc etc............I really don't get 'sick' of bands as it seems a few of you do.......I may tire of certain albums, but it doesn't take long till a bit later where it is just as exciting to give it a re-listen.................
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