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Post by phil on Jun 10, 2004 14:21:34 GMT -5
More Conservative candidates questioning gays and abortion rights ... If they ever win the election, watch for the Conservative Party to change its name back to Reform Party within a week ...  If the stupid Liberals had not been so greedy and bitchy, they could have ruled this country for the next hundred years ... |
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Post by phil on Jun 11, 2004 8:00:36 GMT -5
Do you guys think CWA might relocate in Bosnia
if the Conservatives Reform Party
takes power in Ottawa ... Ô?Ô...
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Post by rockkid on Jun 11, 2004 8:29:04 GMT -5
Liberals had not been so greedy and bitchy
Talk about having it pegged, assholeism does indeed catch up.
Filled with anger yet LOLing at a Liberal ad this morn.
The one that starts with “Steve Harper would have sent our troops to Iraq.
He wants to put $$$$ into the forces”
Ha! This coming from a party who send our guys to every armpit in the world anyway. Only difference is they do it while decimating our forces at the same time.
One guess who won’t vote Liberal. Frankly I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone on this base who will.
I think this time round the only way they might squeak by is the Ontario vote. That seems to save them often enough sadly.
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Post by rockkid on Jun 11, 2004 9:20:42 GMT -5
Ha Ha Ha
This in the Edmonton Sun this morning……… big news I guess…….
Commanding officer at Cold Lake in hot water
Morale at 4 Wing Cold Lake's 416 Tactical Fighter Squadron is at rock bottom after its commanding officer was placed under military police investigation. Lt.-Col. Shawn Byrne was ordered to clear his desk on June 2 and was relieved of his command.
"Everyone at the squadron is taking this badly," said an insider. "The commanding officer and the chief warrant officer are guys everyone looks up to.
"(Byrne) was a real high flyer until now."
Air force spokesman Cmdr. Jeff Agnew confirmed that the National Investigation Service of the military police is investigating 41-year-old Byrne. But he refused to say what the allegations are.
If charges are laid then details will be released," he said from Ottawa. "It is standard policy not to release those details while the investigation is ongoing."
Sources at the base say Byrne had been under observation for around a year and investigators are particularly interested in the use made of a two-seat CF-18 trainer in the past year. Pilots often take planes up on training flights and to log the necessary flying hours to retain their "active" status.
The rules were tightened up in 1996 when the Sun revealed a 30-year-old 416 Squadron pilot was making regular flights from Cold Lake to Oklahoma to visit his fiancee.
After that pilots were reminded that training considerations, not courtship, should determine the course of flights.
Byrne took command of 416 Squadron in July 2002 and was due to take up a new posting in Winnipeg next month.
"He has been temporarily suspended from command," said Agnew. "A commanding officer has powers to administer military justice. That cannot be done when the officer himself is under investigation."
Maj. Jim Knapik has been appointed temporary squadron commander until Byrne's replacement arrives July 14.
Byrne, a 20-year air force veteran, had been tipped as a future base commander at 4 Wing Cold Lake with the rank of full colonel. He is due to start a French language course, required when an officer is being groomed for senior command.
Why wait…….. he was dicking our base public affairs officer (gives that title a whole new twist)
DND funds used to supplement their rendezvous.
God people keep it zipped!!!!
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jun 11, 2004 12:48:58 GMT -5
The one that starts with “Steve Harper would have sent our troops to Iraq.
He wants to put $$$$ into the forces”
Ha! This coming from a party who send our guys to every armpit in the world anyway. Only difference is they do it while decimating our forces at the same time.This thing is RK, the majority of Canadians and I would think the majority of members of the Canadian Forces support doing our part in the Bosnias, East Timors and Haitis of the world, provided that the Forces are given adequate resources to do the job (which has obviously not been the case for some time now). Iraq is a difference kettle of fish. No doubt if Stephen Harper had been Prime Minister in March 2003, he would have sent Canadian troops to Iraq despite the deep opposition of an overwhelming majority of Canadians in the same way that Blair, Berlusconi and Aznar sent their soldiers despite strong public opposition. That part of the Liberal attack is fair game IMO. A scathing critique of the Conservative platform from fiscal conservative Jeffrey Simpson: globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040611/COSIMP11/TPColumnists/
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Post by rockkid on Jun 11, 2004 17:45:36 GMT -5
You are falling hook line & sinker for that ad which illustrates my complaint perfectly.
How nice to start with a “headline grabber” while glossing over the total shit the Libs have put the forces through for what seems like an eternity now.
Come live on a base, see it first hand. I dare you to go kiss some liberal ass then.
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Post by riley on Jun 13, 2004 14:07:16 GMT -5
I'm finding this election troubling right now. I've never been able to effectively decide whether a multiple party system is preferable to the 2 party system in the US, but the way things are playing out right now almost makes me wish ours was limited to 2 even though I'll be voting for the 3rd.
I saw Bill Maher on the Peter Mansbridge show today, and he indicated he would be voting for Kerry for the very simple reason of helping to remove Bushy from power, even though he's neither a Democrat or a Republican.
I'm not dying to see Paul Martin get into power, but I don't want Harper's band of homophobes and assorted conservative whackos anywhere near the Prime Minister's office. The Tories were a party I didn't identify with, but a gentle monster you could probably tolerate if need be. These new or not so new crew as the case may be make the old PC party look like Greenpeace.
So do you vote your conscience or do you vote strategically?
I'll be voting NDP, realizing that they won't be winning the election, but for every Bloc or NDP vote that Martin doesn't get, it might make it all that better a chance for Harper. Fucking frightening.
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Post by phil on Jun 13, 2004 16:32:25 GMT -5
My riding has been represented by a Bloc member for a long time and it's not going to change in this election.
It gives me the opportunity of voting Green or Marijuana Party or whatever because my vote will not make a difference ...
If it was a tight race between a Conservative Reform and Liberal candidates, I would absolutely vote for the Liberal !!
Twice if I could get away with it ...
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Post by Meursault on Jun 13, 2004 17:41:12 GMT -5
How do you feel about the seperatists Phil?
I was thinking about how i felt about them, but decided i don't really know much about them cept the obvious.
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Post by phil on Jun 13, 2004 20:08:38 GMT -5
How do you feel about the seperatists Phil?
Shane ~ I can see where they are coming from
but I don't care much for where they wanna go ... !!
Give me 15 years of Reform government in Ottawa
and I might(just might)have a change of mind ...
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jun 14, 2004 4:37:22 GMT -5
Hey kids, nice to have access to a computer again. My home system is down with a crapped out power supply (hoping that’s all it is, anyway).
I’m not falling for anything, Rockkid. As I indicated in my previous post, I’m well aware of the state of the Canadian Forces. That’s a situation both Liberal and PC governments can take credit for although, truth to be told, the combination of cutbacks and neglect that got us to this point is not just something you can lay at the doorstep of this or that party because it was supported by the public. Take for example the Sea Kings – The Liberals deserve the heat they get for this one but Chretien’s promise to kill the EH-101 in 1993 was as popular as it was irresponsible. In an environment of high deficits and impeding cuts to government programs, it was a vote-getter, that's why he made it in the first place and he wouldn't have followed through on it otherwise.
But I digress – back to the original point – you don’t have to 'kiss Liberal ass' to see that if Harper had been in power our soldiers would now be in Iraq.
Riley, if I was in the U.S., I’d be voting for Kerry for the same reason as Maher. Reality there is there is no other choice. Reality here is that third and fourth parties have long since broken though and we have a multi-party system. IMO, that’s to our benefit. and I’d maintain that the long-term health of the system – as opposed to say the next four years – depends on breaking down the remaining vestiges of old Liberal/Conservative see saw. I understand the argument for voting Liberal if you’re in a riding that really is a two-way battle between the Liberals and Conservatives, of course, but even then with the new election funding legislation I’d prefer to see the buck seventy-five or whatever it is going to someone else.
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Post by rockkid on Jun 14, 2004 5:18:11 GMT -5
I’m with Riley on this one. A two party system might just be the ticket.
However it would have to be two worthy parties something we are sadly short of now.
How dispiriting when something so important as the vote is reduced to which is the lesser of two evils.
Call me utopic but it should stand for so much more.
Sorry Drum but I lay fault for quite a few things at the Lib’s feet & not only military problems.
They’ve been an arrogant spend crazy party for years.
I also beg to differ on Iraq drum. If your CO’s & minister of defense are telling you straight out we have neither the men nor equipment well, there you have it.
Despite the belief of PM holding ultimate order power feasibility is usually checked into first.
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jun 14, 2004 5:58:21 GMT -5
RK, look, I’m NDP – when I say that the shortcomings of the CF can be traced back to both Liberal and PC governments or that Chrétien’s promise to kill the EH-101 was a highly popular one, I’m just trying to lay out an accurate accounting of events, not defend the Liberals.
As for Iraq, of course, we couldn’t have deployed what we didn’t have but we clearly did have the men and equipment to send overseas; Chrétien sent them to Afghanistan to avoid having to say no to the U.S. on Iraq. Harper has been trying to dodge the issue in this campaign but it’s blatantly obvious from his statements at the time that he would have sent them to Iraq.
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Post by phil on Jun 14, 2004 6:16:20 GMT -5
We could have have send
our flottila of leaking submarines
to help the War on Terror ...
(Fuckin'stretched screen !!)
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Post by phil on Jun 14, 2004 6:20:35 GMT -5
Now I understand why RS.com
had spaces in the links ...
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