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Post by Proud on Jul 24, 2004 18:35:40 GMT -5
hey, when i went drinking a few nights ago, i laid on tables and rolled around on the street and shit (just call me ted); don't feel so bad about that. admittedly, i was wrong for saying what i did, but politics have that way of messing with your nerves and bringing out the worst (or sometimes best, i guess) in you. i'd be very stupid if i tried to make myself look innocent or less-guilty for my part in that, so i'll apologize as well. it's just that this is a very difficult time for many of us, on both sides of the political spectrum. you like ronald reagan, i like bill clinton. our political beliefs seem blasphemous to one another, but hey, at least we have the guts and drive to talk about our political beliefs rather than sit around and let life happen to us, like many other americans out there. we're patriots either way, and we're damned proud of it. or so i hope!
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Post by stratman19 on Jul 24, 2004 18:48:55 GMT -5
Damn right Proud. I made the mistake of making the debate personal...shouldn't do that. So let's move on, be as civil as we can, yet still passionately argue like hell! ;D
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Post by PC on Jul 24, 2004 19:58:35 GMT -5
Erm, just to clarify, I'm technically an agnostic!
Sorry, I thought you were an atheist...I could've sworn you even called yourself that on the old boards, but maybe I'm wrong.
Stratman, I saw the Bush and Kerry Song-and-Dance Spectacular, and it is hilarious!
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Post by stratman19 on Jul 24, 2004 20:10:20 GMT -5
Stratman, I saw the Bush and Kerry Song-and-Dance Spectacular, and it is hilarious!
Wasn't that great PunkChick? I've watched it several times, and just keep laughing my ass off. Sometimes you just have to say "what the fuck", and realize politics never change, no matter the party. I urge you all to take a look at it. It's certainly worth a good laugh!
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Post by JACkory on Jul 24, 2004 20:16:12 GMT -5
No, don't worry...I'm not here to elongate the "religion thread"...though I'm sorry I was unavailable the last couple of days so I could add my always-appreciated 2 cents worth... The Religion/Spirituality Booth in the Lounge would be a nice place for those who would like to continue it, though I guess there are some who would prefer not to patronize that establishment... Oh, well, for those who do I hope you enjoy all the purty decorations I've posted there...
Not that there weren't SEVERAL posts I wish I could have responded to (samples' & Ritalin's to name a couple), but hey...time and a place for everything, right?
One thing though...ProudIllness, you say that you used to be a Christian but no more...Maybe you don't agree with the doctrine of eternal security, but if you were ever really a Christian, you still are, even if you choose to deny and mock the Lord. May I suggest the book Eternal Security by Charles Stanley for a thorough exposition of this tenet of the Christian faith...
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Post by Proud on Jul 24, 2004 21:17:38 GMT -5
"One thing though...ProudIllness, you say that you used to be a Christian but no more...Maybe you don't agree with the doctrine of eternal security, but if you were ever really a Christian, you still are, even if you choose to deny and mock the Lord. May I suggest the book Eternal Security by Charles Stanley for a thorough exposition of this tenet of the Christian faith... "
woah woah, i'm not mocking god, should he exist or whatever. i just don't believe in him. anyway, i was never a complete christian. hey, i thought the holy spirit was some sort of ghost or something. i believed in god and jesus or whoever else, but i never knew much of anything from the bible or what god or jesus truly were. okay, i know the all-knowing and all-loving parts and what not, but i could name only several books of the bible, and... uhh....
... okay... lemme stop there. no matter what, i'm going be considered as denying and mocking god, even if i wasn't, like, a bigtime christian, right?
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Post by JACkory on Jul 25, 2004 11:54:17 GMT -5
woah woah, i'm not mocking god, should he exist or whatever. i just don't believe in him. anyway, i was never a complete christian. hey, i thought the holy spirit was some sort of ghost or something. i believed in god and jesus or whoever else, but i never knew much of anything from the bible or what god or jesus truly were. okay, i know the all-knowing and all-loving parts and what not, but i could name only several books of the bible, and... uhh.... First off, I apologize for the insensitivity of the remark I made. Re-reading the last few pages of this board I realize now that you were not one of those expressing contempt for Christianity, as I had mistakenly thought when I made that comment. So hey, I'm sorry. There may come a day when you find yourself drawn to contemplate a deeper understanding of the things you once believed. And if so, I pray that God would bless you with a mind-blowing revelation of His reality. It's one thing to "know of" or "know about" God...it's quite another to KNOW God. And that intimate knowledge of the holy is something I pray everyone here who doesn't believe discovers at some point in their lives. It's a real life-changer. Once again, I retract the "deny and mock" comment and I ask for your forgiveness. |
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Post by melon1 on Jul 25, 2004 12:53:43 GMT -5
JACKory,
I'm taking the "Eternal Security" issue to your Religion/Spirituality Board. See you there.
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Post by Proud on Jul 25, 2004 15:51:48 GMT -5
hey hey, 'sall good. i don't hate religion or anything, i'm just not religious. i admire your passion and commitment, so no negative feelings here.
but i do doubt i'll ever feel or know god or whatever. if i do, then that'd be great, but i don't understand how i'd truly feel or know god. i admit that (no religion mocking intended) when i'm in a tough or painful situation when it comes to myself or someone i care about, i pray and ask god for help. it's natural. but that's all i think it is for me; a clinging for something, someone to make things better, someone who cares about what i'm going through. that's just my personal situation, though. if anyone else has religious experiences that elevates their lives to new levels, i'm quite happy for them.
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Post by stratman19 on Jul 25, 2004 20:44:25 GMT -5
jesus christ. How does an agnostic reach deity status?! This is goddamn embarrassing. I suppose we can chalk it up to a "having no life sonofabitch status". What a sorry commentary. Fuck...  I think it's time to make some changes... |
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Post by Proud on Jul 26, 2004 8:04:33 GMT -5
listened to some richard nixon tapes the other day...
quite an... uhh... interesting character...
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Post by Thorngrub on Jul 26, 2004 14:58:17 GMT -5
Now there was an American.
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Jul 27, 2004 2:32:47 GMT -5
Having checked out Kerry's predicted or spoken policies should he win the presidency, it looks more of the same. Pretty uninspiring really.
I thought the Republicans were saying this chap was a traditional tax-n-spend Boston liberal? He doesn't look much of a radical to me, and he's clearly not going to reverse the Bush line on the ICC or Kyoto, for example. If I was American, I'm not sure I'd even get off me arse and bother voting.
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jul 27, 2004 5:29:34 GMT -5
No, Kerry’s not a radical, of course. He’s a moderate American liberal which puts him perhaps slightly to the right of the current Canadian prime minister – or Tony Blair, for that matter. He isn’t going to sign on to the ICC or Kyoto but for perspective, if Ralph Nader somehow became president in November, he wouldn’t find himself in a position where he could sign on to those accords either.
This election is a referendum on Bush and his policies over the last four years. A vote for Kerry is a vote against Bush’s unilateralism, massive tax cuts for the wealthy coupled with deficit spending, sleaze and cronyism, destructive environmental policies, etc. etc. etc. Kerry’s not a revolutionary, far from it – his domestic and foreign policy will probably look Clintonesque to some degree – but that will at least restore a little sanity.
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Post by chrisfan on Jul 27, 2004 7:33:43 GMT -5
So I was watching Bill Clinton give his big speech last night, and decided to share my thoughts on it. First, my pre-speech thought. Before the speech, I watched Tom Brokaw's interview with Clinton, where he asked him how tough it would be for him to give the speech, without ending saying "And so I accept your nomination ..." This got me thinking -- what other president have people ever treated after he left office by saying "oh, the poor guy, he's no longer in office". And what president, other than Clinton, has left office giving such a tone of "Boy I sure do miss being there, and I long to be back". It just seems strange to me that he's treated so differently as a former-president.
So then there was the speech. I had two strong thoughts as I watched. One was "Damn, this guy is delivering this VERY well". The ohter was "My gosh is he a polarizing figure". Strange that he's just as polarizing as Bush, yet he's not blamed for that as much ...
So then it ocured to me just WHY he can bring about such a positive reaction in a speech. First, he knows his audience, and he knows how to rile them up. Second, he says VERY little that's specific. Rather, he makes statmentsthat will leave just about EVERYONE thinking "Yes, he GETS me". Hillary does the same thing. For example, he says "The Republicans want everything in Washington to be done their way". Yes, that's true. But isn't there more to it than that? Doesn't he, and the rest of the Democrats in Washington, want things to be done THEIR way? Isn't that just the way it works? Hillary did the same thing by saying that she'd never forget the sorrow that she felt on 9/11, and it sounded great. But when you follow what she ways with "Yes, and? ..." you don't get anything else. Sure, to a great degree you can say that this is something that ANY politician is guilty of. But I think both of the Clinton's have mastered it better than the average politician. And I think we'd ALL benefit if we added a "Yes, and?" at the end of more of ALL of their sentences.
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