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Post by shin on Sept 2, 2004 13:18:40 GMT -5
Exactly! That's my point, and you seemed to have missed it DED! My question to you (and the rest of the American liberals) is where were the Democrat conservatives? Again, curiously absent. Hate to tell ya, but right now that's about as "dissenting" and "conservative" as you're gonna find in the DNC at the moment. The party's come together like never before on pretty much all issues. It's a good thing. Were these guys front and center on stage expressing their views?: www.logcabin.org/logcabin/unity_plank.htmlNice try Strat, better luck next time. |
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Post by pissin2 on Sept 2, 2004 13:22:25 GMT -5
What this world really needs is more cheese. Cheese makes everything better.
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 2, 2004 13:37:48 GMT -5
Can somebody confirm to me that Zell Miller was a total lunatic last night? I wasn't around to watch. If you know anything about Zell Miller, then you know that last night, Zell was Zell. He is a very passionate, outspoken, southern man. |
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Post by Proud on Sept 2, 2004 13:40:15 GMT -5
and an asshole.
and a facist.
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 2, 2004 13:41:45 GMT -5
Are you sure? You've got a Democrat giving the most impassioned speech of support for Bush at the Republican convention. You've got Ed Koch, a Democrat, endorsing Bush. you've got a Democratic mayor in Youngstown Ohio speaking nationally in support of Bush. To dissent on policy is one thing. To dissent on who to vote for for president is another thing entirely. Look, there is dissent in both parties, and it's healthy. To deny it, to claim that the Democrats are more united and free of dissent than ever before, is naive. |
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 2, 2004 13:43:10 GMT -5
You know what Shin ... you're right. The Republicans have failed to put EVERY SINGLE person who has a different point of view on their stage. They've failed to expand their convention to be a month long, in order to fit all of those speakers. Damn them. |
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Post by Proud on Sept 2, 2004 13:47:54 GMT -5
... why the hell do i visit this topic, again?
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 2, 2004 13:55:50 GMT -5
Just for you JLLM, I've decided to help the BBC out, by featuring some of the highlighted "Bush bashing" at the Democratic convention. I don't take offense to any of this, or consider it to be unfair. Just trying to assure you that in fact BOTH parties partake in bashing the other here.
We have seen how they rule: they divide and try to conquer. They know the power of the people is weakened when our house is divided. They believe they can't win, unless the rest of us lose. We reject that shameful view. – Ted Kennedy
The eyes of the world were on us and the hearts of the world were with us after September 11th until this administration broke that trust. We should have honored, not ignored, the pledges we made. We should have strengthened, not scorned, the alliances that won two World Wars and the Cold War. – Ted Kennedy
We failed to do that in Iraq. More than 900 of our servicemen and women have already paid the ultimate price. Nearly 6,000 have been wounded in this misguided war. The administration has alienated longtime allies. Instead of making America more secure, they have made us less so. They have made it harder to win the real war on terrorism, the war against al-Qaeda. None of this had to happen.
How could any president have possibly squandered the enormous goodwill that flowed to America from across the world after September 11th? - Ted Kennedy
This administration does neither. Instead it brings fear. Fear of rising costs for health care and for college, fear of higher unemployment and lesser pay, fear for the future of Social Security and Medicare, fear of greater bigotry, fear of pollution's stain on our magnificent natural heritage, fear of four more years of dreams denied and promises unfulfilled and progress rolled back. – Ted Kennedy
In the depths of the Depression, Franklin Roosevelt inspired the nation when he said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Today, we say the only thing we have to fear is four more years of George Bush. – Ted Kennedy
Now it is our turn to take up the cause. Our struggle is not with some monarch named George who inherited the crown.
Although it often seems that way. – Ted Kennedy
On the other hand, the Republicans in Washington believe that America should be run by the right people — their people — in a world in which America acts unilaterally when we can and cooperates when we have to.
They believe the role of government is to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of those who embrace their economic, political and social views, leaving ordinary citizens to fend for themselves on important matters like health care and retirement security. – Bill Clinton
The United States has alienated its allies, dismayed its friends, and inadvertently gratified its enemies by proclaiming a confused and disturbing strategy of "preemptive" war. With our allies disunited, the world resenting us, and the Middle East ablaze, we need John Kerry to restore life to the global war against terrorism. – Jimmy Carter
In the meantime, the Middle East peace process has come to a screeching halt for the first time since Israel became a nation. All former presidents, Democratic and Republican, have attempted to secure a comprehensive peace for Israel with hope and justice for the Palestinians. The achievements of Camp David a quarter century ago and the more recent progress made by President Bill Clinton are now in peril. – Jimmy Carter
You can't be a war president one day and claim to be a peace president the next, depending on the latest political polls – Jimmy Carter
He will lead the world, not alienate it. Lower the deficit, not raise it. Create good jobs, not lose them. Solve a health care crisis, not ignore it. I know a thing or two about health care. And the problems have only gotten worse in the past four years. – Hillary Clinton
Wouldn't we be better off with a new president who hasn't burned his bridges to our allies, and who could rebuild respect for America in the world? – Al Gore
I want to say to all Americans this evening that whether it is the threat to the global environment or the erosion of America's leadership in the world, whether it is the challenge to our economy from new competitors or the challenge to our security from new enemies, I believe that we need new leadership that is both strong and wise. – Al Gore
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 2, 2004 14:06:50 GMT -5
... why the hell do i visit this topic, again? You'll have to ask someone else. Because I keep asking myself the same thing! |
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Post by PC on Sept 2, 2004 14:17:55 GMT -5
Shin, how come you never post anywhere besides the CE board? I miss your sarcastic remarks on the main boards from back in the day.
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Post by Galactus on Sept 2, 2004 14:23:21 GMT -5
You're right chrisfan how can we allow all that disagreeing with the republicans to take place? Shamefull.
...and on that note...
NEW YORK — The word to Republican speakers at the national convention is that bashing Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry is fine.
Unlike Democrats, who put out word that they were editing speeches to tamp down on harsh criticism of President Bush at their convention in Boston in July, the Republicans are not shying away from full-throttle engagement.
Headlining Monday night's action, former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani referred to Mr. Kerry a dozen times, at one point saying the Massachusetts senator might even subjugate U.S. interests to the will of other nations.
"Just a few months ago, John Kerry kind of leaked out that claim that certain foreign leaders who opposed our removal of Saddam Hussein prefer him. Well, to me, that raises the risk that he might well accommodate his position to their viewpoint," said Mr. Giuliani, prompting the crowd to break into a round of boos.
The Bush campaign said there have been no instructions to tamp down remarks.
"We aren't shy about pointing out the differences," said Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt.
The bashing was not lost on Democrats.
Matt Bennett, spokesman for the Democratic Response Team in New York, said Mr. Giuliani attacked Mr. Kerry 15 times in his speech, adding that the remarks were filled with "incredibly raw negativity."
"All they could do was attack last night. You know why? Because they don't have a plan to create jobs, to fix health care or win the war on terror," said Sen. John Edwards, the Democrats' vice-presidential nominee.
Mr. Bush promised a positive message from the convention, but Democrats said his party has failed to deliver it.
At their convention in Boston, Mr. Kerry's staff said, they examined speakers' remarks to ensure that they were mostly positive. The campaign's guidelines for speakers included keeping remarks short, staying to the night's theme and being positive.
The Associated Press said the Democratic speechwriting team also contacted speakers to deliver the message more forcefully, telling them that criticism of Mr. Bush would be allowed "only as a subtle or indirect dig" when matching the two tickets' records or vision.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said his party wanted to keep the focus positive to help introduce Mr. Kerry, particularly to attract independent voters it thought would be turned off by negativity.
For Republicans, though, no content guidelines were issued this week.
Spokesmen for several members of Congress who have given speeches or made remarks at the Republican National Convention this week said they only were given direction on the length of the speeches.
"All our candidates were given was a time frame on how much time they were going to have," said Dan Allen, spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which had a handful of candidates speak Monday.
Carl Forti, spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, whose candidates spoke Monday as well, said that other than space limitations, "there were no directions given at all."
Asked last week whether the campaign had told him to keep Kerry bashing to a minimum, Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, who spoke last night, laughed, "That would be no."
"Very honestly, the Kerry bashing is not something that I think the party will get into. I think there will be a very explicit discussion of his record, his senatorial record, which is important," he said. "There will, I think, be more important discussion about George Bush because this election is ultimately about him, not about John Kerry, when you think about it."
Last night, Mr. Steele had some of the sharpest barbs yet for Mr. Kerry.
"He also recently said that he doesn't want to use the word 'war' to describe our efforts to fight terrorism. Well, I don't want to use the words 'commander in chief' to describe John Kerry," Mr. Steele said, prompting a rousing round of applause from the delegates.
Last night, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Tennessee Republican, took his shots at his Senate colleague and his tax policy.
"I'll tell you what Senator Kerry's prescription will be: Take a handful of tax increases and don't call me in the morning," said Mr. Frist, a heart surgeon.
Mr. Holt said the differences between the parties played out in other ways, too. In Boston, protesters were allowed near the FleetCenter, site of the convention, but only if they stood inside a cage. In New York, protesters have been allowed to march right by Madison Square Garden.
"We are confident enough in our message we're willing to have a debate about the issues," Mr. Holt said.
Despite Democrats' efforts in Boston, Bush bashing made its way onto their podium as well, including in a speech by the Rev. Al Sharpton, former presidential candidate, in which he accused the president of misleading the nation into war.
"If I told you tonight to, 'Let's leave the FleetCenter, we're in danger,' and when you get outside you ask me, 'Reverend Al, what is the danger?' and I say, 'It don't matter. We just needed some fresh air,' I have misled you. And we were misled," he said.
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 2, 2004 15:10:38 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I just can't get my arms around the idea of Terry McAuliffe HONESTLY asking for and expecting a cordial campaign. To me, that's kind of like Tony Soprano wishing for a world with no mob hits. I couldn't help but laught at my TV today, listening to John Edwards saying "The reason they are slamming us is because they have nothing to say about what they've done", and continue on and on in this vein. I was left thinking "Hmm, by doing this, he's slamming his opponets over and over ... is that because he has nothing to say about his and Kerry's own records?"
Let's be honest -- slamming your oponet is easier than talking about the issues, and more fur for the media to cover. That's why BOTH sides do it. It's time for ALL of them to remember that when you point a finger at someone else, there's three fingers pointing back at you.
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Post by Proud on Sept 2, 2004 15:14:20 GMT -5
after seeing a... certain interview, i must say this...
zell miller should be put in a retirement home or in a mental institution. what a disgrace.
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 2, 2004 15:23:50 GMT -5
JOB APPLICATION NAME: John Kerry RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including Washington DC, worth multi-millions. EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: Law Enforcement. I voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA and defense bill in my career as a US Senator. I ordered Boston to remove a fire hydrant which I considered unsightly, in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire. MILITARY: I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I then returned to the US, joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book; Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier shows how I truly feel about the military. I deplore the military! COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except that of a gigolo( ed), by marrying rich women and running HJ Heinz vicariously through my wife Teresa. ACCOMPLISHMENTS: As a US Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected. My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make no or little charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in MA, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million. I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I blame George Bush for sending all of the jobs out of Country. Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: None. PERSONAL I ride a Serotta Bike. My Gulfstream V Jet I call The Flying Squirrel. I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche". I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture. I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large polluting inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for the energy problems. PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004 |
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Post by Galactus on Sept 2, 2004 15:42:40 GMT -5
I was going to do one those for Bush but it seems that drinking and running businesses into the ground looks bad on resume...so I'll just do what he'd do:
George W. Bush-
Occupation - President/superhero
Experience- Have been fighting the forces of evil for three years now
Plans for the future- Fight evil
Plans for the economy- didn't I just say we're fighting evil here?
Plans for the environment- Screw the environment, we're fighting evil...are you deaf?
Plans for enployment- You're starting to piss me off...I caught Saddam Heussain. WE ARE FIGHTING EVIL. Why can't you get that?
Reason we should vote for you- Oh yeah, that'd be the evil thing again, Jesus you're an idiot. I'm the only person qualfied to fight evil.
Why is that?- Because I'm a wartime president. We're safer.
How so?- Because I'm President.
Ok I sort of got off track and turned it into an interview...but I had fun with it, so whatever...
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