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Post by chrisfan on Aug 26, 2004 12:51:28 GMT -5
What? You weren't totally moved and touched by the big Showdown at the 527 corral yesterday in Crawford?
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 13:25:14 GMT -5
FDR never faced such a 100% instantly communicated global religion-based world-wide threat such as these crazy Islamist fucks.... "100% Instantly-Communicable...*world wide threat* -"-?! Sorry, but the only threat these "crazy Islamist fucks" as you refer to them pose is to some buildings, random Americans, etc. World Wide Threat my ASS. So who's oxygen is getting too thin -? Seems like you could use a fresh dose of it yourself, up there. his pithy witticisms would had a few wise-er twists to them. A far far faaaaar different world today...and you'd be a complete fool to think it's not. Call me a fool then, but despite all the "uber-complexity" *gasp* of today's world, if you ask me, some things never change....and in certain respects, it's the same old- same old. I simply feel we have a tendency to over- complicate the issues at hand as much as oversimplifying them; perhaps even more so. Now we are mired and drowning in our own self-dug pit of semantic quicksand. "More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginning of all wars - yes, an end to this brutal, inhuman and thoroughly impractical method of settling the differences between governments."- Fuck, we ALL want 'an end to all wars'! No fucking shit. Even GWB(how about YOU think about it). How about having to MEET threats? --- How about having to OVERCOME threats, rather than simply MEET them? It takes Brains as well as Brawn; and Wisdom as well as Action, RocDoc. How about having to meet those brutal, inhuman and thoroughly impractical methods which Al Q'aeda has vowed to use, while single-handedly carrying on with leaving Iraq unable to rebuild itself throught THEIR thirst for power? Creating needless continued misery in a people who ALREADY experienced generations of Hussein's sadism... Oh. We should just allow them to take it? Oh. Why THAT is JUST the way that that cocksucker gave up Poland, E Germany and the Baltics to Stalin as 'balm for his wounds'?? His paean to "...the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together, in the same world at peace. " was then to let the evil powerful fuckers have their little antfarms, just so's he was left alone.... Which within the complications and dead-alleys of communication and knowledge of the time(meaning that many thought that the existence of a crazy paranoid pig like Stalin was 'just the way it is'), probably WAS the thing to do....there, at least was a nominal 'ally' who only brutalised INTERNALLY and externally only when someone like Germany threatened him....those were the times. Yeah, weren't they, though? The "good ol' days", when the seeds of corruption being sown left & right had yet to push through the topsoil and blossom out into the starved, insatiable Venus Flytraps they have grown into today. Lovely soapbox thorn, but I think you really need to lower the altitude a bit, Oxygen deprivation's leading you to believe you've got all the fucking(TOO obvious)answers....stop with the "wake up!' implorations, like we're a bunch of maroons, eh? RocDoc - forgive my "Wake Up soapbox" for coming across condescendingly to you -- I certainly did not have you in particular in mind, yet you seem to have reacted to it nonetheless. And by the way: NO. I shall not stop with the " WAKE THE FUCK UP!" implorations; not, at the very least, until I see some evidence of having roused a good percentage of the slumbering imbeciles sleepwalking through their daily lives in this country. (Thanks for suggesting it, though) The oversimplifications just make me want to tell you to go fuck off. I dunno, maybe it's just me... Maybe so. Feel free to tell me to fuck off anytime you want, 'Doc. Except that I'm here to stay.  |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 13:25:27 GMT -5
Why didn't you just straight up tell him to fuck off then, instand of typing out that whole post.
Why? Mebbe cause you hate having your witless high-5s to Thorn shouted down?
'FDR, The Saint For The Ages' is the image you've bitten on and that's it, eh? Sorry pal, there's a whole lot wrong to that. He's as imperfect as George Bush is....improvising as he went.
That and I'm sick of this bullshit UNthought out, 'FASCIST! FASCIST!' crap...
How's that?
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 13:29:29 GMT -5
"100% Instantly-Communicable...*world wide threat* -"-?! Sorry, but the only threat these "crazy Islamist fucks" as you refer to them pose is to some buildings, random Americans, etc. World Wide Threat my ASS.
Your ass, eh?
Spain(rigged the election even)
Bali
THreats(and cels captured)in Phillipines, France, England, Germany...
Worldwide your ass? Try the stairmaster then, cos you musta NOT meant what I first thought you did.
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 13:29:45 GMT -5
And I could say the same about your "OverComplication", RocDoc.
But I'm not going to tell you to fuck off.
If people like you would simplify things a little and people like me complicate things a tad more, perhaps there would be a chance that we could meet somewhere in the middle with a compromise, and get down to business.
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 13:35:59 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]'FDR, The Saint For The Ages' is the image you've bitten on and that's it, eh? Sorry pal, there's a whole lot wrong to that. He's as imperfect as George Bush is....improvising as he went.
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Hey RocDoc! I don't give a wet New York rat's ass about FDR the man. Only his surviving quotes do I care about. Which is why I posted them.
I did not post any such glowing tributes in and of the man himself; like I said, I could care less for the guy.
His words -- select phrases, here and there -- which survive today: That is what I am holding up for all to read and think about.
But those such as yourself must AVOID that specific issue (the issue I am on about) and drive PAST my defenses (even when I didn't have any defenses put up into place) in order to SUCKERPUNCH me, cuz I'm the "baaaaaaaaad, crazy Liberal" trying to shoot you down, or something.
I am not trying to shoot you down.
I am trying to get you to listen. To see past the surface of things. To see through the exterior "complexity" down into the true simplicity of what is going on.
But you go ahead and "defend yourself" how you see fit, m'kay? Go ahead and ignore the things I have painstakingly tried to point out, and race past them for my jugular in an all - out attack. Go ahead. Because you are helpless against me. You haven't even dinged my armor. Keep tryin' though, if that's how you get your kicks.
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 13:40:13 GMT -5
And by the way: NO. I shall not stop with the "WAKE THE FUCK UP!" implorations; not, at the very least, until I see some evidence of having roused a good percentage of the slumbering imbeciles sleepwalking through their daily lives in this country. (Thanks for suggesting it, though)
Consider the a LARGE number of us here at least are aware you're using absolute buullshit to try to get across these 'points' you're supposedly rousing people for....and this 'oh I feeeel too much' as a vehicle to talk yourself into this position of there being NO possible valid good coming from this
(ie, that the threat's not real,
that we can talk sense into the cocksucking Islamists,
that they WILL respect us THEN,
and, OH, that THEY are right here)),
as a fucking mammoth self-delusion.
Rave on, McDuck.
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 13:51:39 GMT -5
And by the way: NO. I shall not stop with the "WAKE THE FUCK UP!" implorations; not, at the very least, until I see some evidence of having roused a good percentage of the slumbering imbeciles sleepwalking through their daily lives in this country. (Thanks for suggesting it, though)Consider the a LARGE number of us here at least are aware you're using absolute buullshit to try to get across these 'points' you're supposedly rousing people for....and this 'oh I feeeel too much' as a vehicle to talk yourself into this position of there being NO possible valid good coming from this (ie, that the threat's not real, that we can talk sense into the cocksucking Islamists, that they WILL respect us THEN, and, OH, that THEY are right here)), as a fucking mammoth self-delusion. Rave on, McDuck. (Beautiful fodder you have provided me with here. I get the feeling you may be a wellspring of it...) A large number of you are "aware" that I'm using "absolute bullshit", hmmm? I was unaware that so many fellows considered the sage words of FDR to be "absolute bullshit". Interesting . . . ~Did I say there was "no possible good" coming from this -? (I assume you mean this War in Iraq) ~Did I imply that the "threat" is not real -? Of course not. Defining the threat -- in a manner in which we can both agree fits -- now, that is the question . . . ~ "cocksucking Islamists", eh? Hey, I've got an idea!! Let's quick appoint RocDoc as Ambassador to the Mideast; perhaps we could use a lil' vim & vigour over there. Give them "towelheads" a piece of our mind, eh? *PATHETIC*...~ "that THEY are right here" --- WTF?? No matter how many times I go over my posts, I simply cannot fathom how you construed out of my words that I could possibly feel as if THEY are right. Oh!, waitasec -- * suspiciously* --You didn't work for one of em Psychic TV hotlines, didja--? *COME AGAIN!* (In Apu's voice) ;D |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 14:07:42 GMT -5
Islamists(defined as RADICAL Muslims)like the ones who ran the Taliban in Afghanistan....THOSE guys too you should not in any way be deemed 'cocksuckers'?
Or.....to not disparage the members of a poplulation who may innocently and with great pleasure indulge in a sexual convention labelled 'cocksucking'(like Seinfeld, 'not that there's anything wrong with thaaaat')but WHY oh WHY should NOT great heaps of abuse be heaped upon the village idiots who think now that they're holding this power over the 'immoral' women and children under their purview and who for YEARS abused them in Afghanistan and stiil are abusing them in the name of their twisted version of Islam, in countries like Iran?
Why? What is it that you feel for them? Why are they someone to NEVER disrespect?
You sir, are the pathetic one...careful that bleeding heart is gonna soak your white cloak to a nice crimson shade pretty quick...
Either way, I hope I've made clear that there are particular Islamists whom I referred to there as cocksuckers.
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 14:13:42 GMT -5
A large number of you are "aware" that I'm using "absolute bullshit", hmmm? I was unaware that so many fellows considered the sage words of FDR to be "absolute bullshit". Interesting . . .
*sigh*
No Thorn....your pointed INTERPRETATIONs,
your 'look see where this applies here!'.
That.
THAT's what's bullshit....how you're thinking you're using those quotes to fit your views to a 'T'....
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 14:29:36 GMT -5
First off RocDoc, I know you were utilizing the term "cocksucker" ONLY as applied to the "bad ones"  ... And I am sorry for furthering our semantic-hairsplitting by jumping down yer throat for that. You have every right to be indignant and resort to derogatory namecalling upon those who deserve it. I JUST HAPPEN TO FEEL THAT THIS VERY SEMANTIC BLURRING BETWEEN THOSE OF "THEM" WHO ARE "BAD" AND THOSE OF "THEM" WHO ARE "GOOD, LIKE US" IS WHAT ADDS FUEL TO THE ALREADY RAGING FIRE, dig-? I.E, it's getting a tad out-of-hand, don't you think? While the "real culprits" (i.e, "cocksuckers") lie hiding behind the masses of Middle- easterners, it just doesn't CLEAR THE WATERS UP ANY to keep hurling ethnic/biased/derogatory-insults like that in what could be misconstrued as a "generalization" even though you did not intend it as such. [glow=red,2,300]What is it you feel for them?[/glow] The fact you have to ask belies my answer. But I will answer anyhow. They are human beings. Ah -! But who, precisely, are " They" -? Scoop up one Steam-shovel full of em, and, what-? 3 out of 20, say, 2% of this randomly-scooped up pile of writhing humanity, are dyed-in-the-wool bonafide "Towelhead Terrorists", huh. See what I'm trying to say here? By merely identifying them as "terrorists", they have WON their subversive war against us. Because first and foremost they are each and every one of them merely human beings. Human beings caught up in a struggle we could not possibly understand. And UNDERSTANDING is what really needs to be going on here: TRUE understanding; of what exactly the dynamics of this -- yes, it is quite complex as you have pointed out -- fucked-up situation here between us and them. But it is also, I'd wager, quite simple, if you back up far enough away from the scope of the thing. And to do that, one must take into account far more than -- for instance -- just what occured since September 11th, 2001. We must look at the history of our Foreign Policy, and examine the rootlings of our interferences with the Mideast since the turn of the century. We must truly be given to understand what we have sowed that is causing us to reap this... To triumph over this struggle, it is going to take some serious soul-searching on our part. Except that it seems to me we are too busy condemning their souls to be bothered with looking at our own. THAT is what I see in "them". They are just like us: human. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 14:31:45 GMT -5
[glow=green,2,300]No Thorn....your pointed INTERPRETATIONs,
your 'look see where this applies here!'.
That.
THAT's what's bullshit....how you're thinking you're using those quotes to fit your views to a 'T'....
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You mean the lil comments I made after each quote -? Man, those weren't no "interpretations"~!, not by a longshot. Just sideline commentary.
I very much think FDR's quotes speak quite succinctly for themselves...
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Post by strat-0 on Aug 26, 2004 14:45:36 GMT -5
Soilent Green is PEOPLE! It's PEE-HEE-HEE-PUL!
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 14:50:21 GMT -5
^ LoL, now there's a SOLUTION...! ^
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 26, 2004 14:51:41 GMT -5
Take care of World Hunger and Overpopulation in one fell swoop.
That's quite a modest proposal there, strat-0.
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... And I am sorry for furthering our semantic-hairsplitting by jumping down yer throat for that. 