Post by RocDoc on Aug 26, 2004 15:16:05 GMT -5
Ah -! But who, precisely, are "They" -? Scoop up one Steam-shovel full of em, and, what-? 3 out of 20, say, 2% of this randomly-scooped up pile of writhing humanity, are dyed-in-the-wool bonafide "Towelhead Terrorists", huh.
Howabout in Afghanistan during Taliban times....or in the Al Q'aeda-a-polluted Iraq right now?
2% absolutely DEFINITELY was/is NOT the number....
Islamists....that's a point which I misunderstood once with Dr D(and he straightened me out)....THEY are the ones of 'radical Islam'(by definition), they're the ones running the evil hate-spewing fucking parochial schools, the madrassahs across the Muslim sphere. Iraq(now, but not during Sodom's time, unless they were clandestine), Iran, Saudi Arabia, southeast Asia, Pakistan...2%? No.
See what I'm trying to say here? By merely identifying them as "terrorists", they have WON their subversive war against us.
Sure I see.
I am perfectly willing to concede that they definitely HAVE won this 'subversive war'....this should be so utterly obvious to anyone living among the barricaded federal buildings of any large city...to anyone living near a suddenly fortress-like nuclear power-plant. Power-plants in the wilds of northern Wisconsin ringed by 10-ton boulders while seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
They've WON. Yes.
Americans lives have truly changed from 9/11 with ZERO chance of going back now...and anyone denying that is either living on a placid little island somewhere or they're an idiot.
So now, where does your 'point' there go?
We can call 'them' terrorists then, right?
OK, the broadest description won't work, but when you tighten it up this way, oh yeah. Like the Mosque up the street from me, who's 'pastor' is gone to prison.
Good.
And UNDERSTANDING is what really needs to be going on here: TRUE understanding; of what exactly the dynamics of this -- yes, it is quite complex as you have pointed out -- fucked-up situation here between us and them. But it is also, I'd wager, quite simple, if you back up far enough away from the scope of the thing.
I for one am CERTAIN that this true 'understanding' will never EVER come. Whatever understanding you'll presume to come too will be a false one as well.....and NO sort of 'justification' at this late date, regarding centuries of exploration of the then 'unknown world' and of discoveries of presumable 'SAVAGES' hither and yon by THEN-unenlightened 'adventurers' from truly ANOTHER TIME...for THAT to be something that justifies the sort of hatred which these people, these human beings now, guard and CHERISH in their black hearts as they scream 'RETRIBUTION!'...
...as they scream 'REVENGE! MUERTA!' on 'the West' who have so wronged them.
Yes, extend this into the 1920s and 30s as the mid-east, much of it as an undeveloped and ill-educated frontier could even HOPE to think that they'd somehow magically get 'respect' from the presumed doofuses of that time, travelling the world, opportunistically grabbing what they could.
THAT is not something which can be(or SHOULD be) eternally faulted to 'the West', to this day.
Y'know, my sympathy just has to end somewhere. Eternal vendettas n'shit. Fuck them. And their characterization of the Jewish race as killing herds of swine.
Others in this world have also been very rapaciously taken advantage of for LONG periods of time.
Who are the drifting states of the Soviet Union finding to conveniently blame for their 'predicament'?
FDR gave VAST support to Stalin immed after the War in allowing him his 'spoils'....then 50 years worth of virtual imprisonment and misery ensued.
But the point for me is that they are NOT trying to chump anyone the way the Islamists have chosen to chump 'The West' as the scapegoat for every godDAMNED thing they've got wrong in their lives.....
~
Irony.
The crowning glory is that the Moors were fanTAStic WORLD-class oppressors in the European and African spheres in the middle-ages as well....
No, they're human beings, yes, but so are we all here.
They fucking need to realize THAT themselves.
Howabout in Afghanistan during Taliban times....or in the Al Q'aeda-a-polluted Iraq right now?
2% absolutely DEFINITELY was/is NOT the number....
Islamists....that's a point which I misunderstood once with Dr D(and he straightened me out)....THEY are the ones of 'radical Islam'(by definition), they're the ones running the evil hate-spewing fucking parochial schools, the madrassahs across the Muslim sphere. Iraq(now, but not during Sodom's time, unless they were clandestine), Iran, Saudi Arabia, southeast Asia, Pakistan...2%? No.
See what I'm trying to say here? By merely identifying them as "terrorists", they have WON their subversive war against us.
Sure I see.
I am perfectly willing to concede that they definitely HAVE won this 'subversive war'....this should be so utterly obvious to anyone living among the barricaded federal buildings of any large city...to anyone living near a suddenly fortress-like nuclear power-plant. Power-plants in the wilds of northern Wisconsin ringed by 10-ton boulders while seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
They've WON. Yes.
Americans lives have truly changed from 9/11 with ZERO chance of going back now...and anyone denying that is either living on a placid little island somewhere or they're an idiot.
So now, where does your 'point' there go?
We can call 'them' terrorists then, right?
OK, the broadest description won't work, but when you tighten it up this way, oh yeah. Like the Mosque up the street from me, who's 'pastor' is gone to prison.
Good.
And UNDERSTANDING is what really needs to be going on here: TRUE understanding; of what exactly the dynamics of this -- yes, it is quite complex as you have pointed out -- fucked-up situation here between us and them. But it is also, I'd wager, quite simple, if you back up far enough away from the scope of the thing.
I for one am CERTAIN that this true 'understanding' will never EVER come. Whatever understanding you'll presume to come too will be a false one as well.....and NO sort of 'justification' at this late date, regarding centuries of exploration of the then 'unknown world' and of discoveries of presumable 'SAVAGES' hither and yon by THEN-unenlightened 'adventurers' from truly ANOTHER TIME...for THAT to be something that justifies the sort of hatred which these people, these human beings now, guard and CHERISH in their black hearts as they scream 'RETRIBUTION!'...
...as they scream 'REVENGE! MUERTA!' on 'the West' who have so wronged them.
Yes, extend this into the 1920s and 30s as the mid-east, much of it as an undeveloped and ill-educated frontier could even HOPE to think that they'd somehow magically get 'respect' from the presumed doofuses of that time, travelling the world, opportunistically grabbing what they could.
THAT is not something which can be(or SHOULD be) eternally faulted to 'the West', to this day.
Y'know, my sympathy just has to end somewhere. Eternal vendettas n'shit. Fuck them. And their characterization of the Jewish race as killing herds of swine.
Others in this world have also been very rapaciously taken advantage of for LONG periods of time.
Who are the drifting states of the Soviet Union finding to conveniently blame for their 'predicament'?
FDR gave VAST support to Stalin immed after the War in allowing him his 'spoils'....then 50 years worth of virtual imprisonment and misery ensued.
But the point for me is that they are NOT trying to chump anyone the way the Islamists have chosen to chump 'The West' as the scapegoat for every godDAMNED thing they've got wrong in their lives.....
~
Irony.
The crowning glory is that the Moors were fanTAStic WORLD-class oppressors in the European and African spheres in the middle-ages as well....
No, they're human beings, yes, but so are we all here.
They fucking need to realize THAT themselves.
