Volume 5

[Galactus]

Both of you actually.

Here's yet more Swift Boat information...
www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

...and it has been shown time and time again the quotes they are using from Kerry are taken out of context. They all conviently leave off the part at the begining where he says these are things he's heard about not claims he himelf is making.

I really don't see how anyone could still be defending these ads.

[chrisfan]

Call me crazy, but I'll defend anyone's right to speak their mind on matters of the government, and those who wish to run it.

[Galactus]

ack...sorry. "Both of you" being strat and chrisfan, not drum.

[stratman19]

DED said:

There it is again..."we're not bein' negetive 'cause we're just tellin' the truth" with God and the truth on your side how can you lose? I give up.

It couldn't be directed at John Kerry and his incessant "stop picking on me" could it? ;D

[stratman19]

They all conviently leave off the part at the begining where he says these are things he's heard about not claims he himelf is making.

That just shows you how irresponsible Kerry was for making those claims about things he had never even seen himself, and without any proof to back him up either. I don't blame the vets being pissed about his anti war statements.

[chrisfan]

DED said:

ack...sorry. "Both of you" being strat and chrisfan, not drum.

You screwed yourself with the clarification DED. Drum was the one who brought up the "negative is only bad if it's not the truth defense". Nice job trying to run the deflection plan from Drum's blinding bias, but his is still worse than yours.

[chrisfan]

stratman19 said:

They all conviently leave off the part at the begining where he says these are things he's heard about not claims he himelf is making.

That just shows you how irresponsible Kerry was for making those claims about things he had never even seen himself, and without any proof to back him up either. I don't blame the vets being pissed about his anti war statements.

The opening part of that statement really does nothing to change the context of the message of the ad. The powerful aspect of the ad is the veteran who says that torture from the Vietnamese could not make him say what John Kerry said voluntarily. THAT message is not altered. Not to mention that the few words that your panties are in a bunch over were probably edited to fit the message in a :30 spot ... not to change the meaning.

[Galactus]

I was mostly responding to the article Strat posted which a central theme was that they can say all the "mean stuff" they becuase it's "true".

Yeah, actually I think him saying "these aren't my words, nor are they my claims" is extremely important and greatly changes the meanings.

[Galactus]

If one of you could get this to David Limbaugh that'd be great too.

Zell Miller does not, in fact, believe Kerry would defend the country with spitballs. "It was a met-a-fur. Don't you know what a met-a-fur is?"

[chrisfan]

DED, I truly don't know what you believe or what you'rearguing anymore. You cry foul on the swift boat guys because you say they are lying, and political ads that lie shouldn't be on the air. But then you denounce the "truth" defense, as if it's not okay to be negative if what you're saying is true. Do you know what your point is anymore? If you do, could you spell it out more clearly? It's no wonder you're a Kerry supporter.

[Galactus]

I'm saying that republicans claim every word out of their mouths to be the truth...often times so do the democrates. They can't both be the truth nor can they both be lying all the time. So they are...? C'mon you know the answer. They are...?

[chrisfan]

They are engaging in politics?

[chrisfan]

DED, I think that part of the reason why it appears that you're bouncing all around this subject without a firm declaration of where you stand is that you're looking for truth to be an absolute, and in politics, it often times is not. Most of the problems that politicians deal with do not have an absolutel "This will fix it, this won't" answer. Quite honestly, there are very few things that can be solved with absolute agreement of being solved. For that reason, it can be very accurate for one person to say "Person X did this, and it means X", and for another to say "Person X did this, but it means Y" and they are both right.

Politics is not dealing with "1+1=2" facts. But it appears that you're trying to apply such standards. it can't be done.

This is precisely why I said the ohter day that I don't think that political ads that are proven to be lies should still be on the air ... because "lying" in politics is more often than not subjective. So I'm not sure who you could find that would be a fair judge in deciding what the truth was. Fact is, each of us decides what the truth is on our own, and we declare that choice in the voting booth.

[Thorngrub]

Swift Boat publishing heir white supremacist


www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=252



William Regnery II, heir to the Regnery publishing fortune and a principal player in his father’s company which produced the Swift-Boat veterans’ “Unfit for Command,” is a leading advocate of white supremacy and is moving into a business aimed at “providing services and products to white.”

His jumping-off point is a planned match-making service for “heterosexual whites of Christian cultural heritage,” according to numerous sites that have begun investigating Regnery’s past, among them Working for Change and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Even Newsweek did a piece about him, but apparently no one made the connection.

In an appeal to potential investors titled “Population is Destiny,” Regnery wrote that the Caucasian dating service would be no ordinary money-making opportunity, but a chance to ensure “the survival of our race,” which “depends upon our people marrying, reproducing and parenting.”

According to Regnery, the dating service will be the “first arrow in a business quiver” providing “services and products to whites.”

Promoting white nationalism is nothing new for him or his family. His grandfather, William I, was an opponent of the U.S. siding against Germany in WWII. He signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II. His father, Henry, created Regnery Publishing, best known for publishing and promoting books written by right-wingers like Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy.

William II has made his mark as a major fundraiser in radical right circles as the founder of the Charles Martel Society in 2001. The society publishes The Occidental Quarterly, an academic-looking journal filled with articles by white-supremacist luminaries such as Sam Francis, editor for the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens and Wayne Lutton of the hate group The Social Contract Press.

The society is putting together conferences, summer schools and a speaker’s bureau — all designed to push Regnery’s view that the white race is veering toward extinction.

The original William Regnery, Regnery II’s grandfather, was one of the founding fathers of the American fascist movement, notes Wikipedia (do a find-in-page search).

Prominent proponents of fascism in pre-WWII America included the publisher Seward Collins, whose periodical The American Review (1933-1937) featured essays by Collins, and others that praised Mussolini and Hitler. The America First movement, funded by William Regnery among others, took a pro-German view of the world during the 1930s, and fought to keep America neutral after Britain entered the war in 1939. Father Charles E. Coughlin’s Depression-era radio broadcasts extolled the virtues of fascism.

[Thorngrub]

White supremacist love connection

William Regnery, the 'famously reclusive' member of the Regnery publishing family, is looking for investors for a whites-only dating service


If you're looking for a life partner and are too busy to get enmeshed in the dating scene, hope is on the way: There are myriad dating services that promise to find you the perfect mate. Some arrange lunchtime meetings for over-scheduled workers; others offer a round-robin approach where you can spend a few minutes with a bunch of different prospects during one evening. There are online dating services, video dating services, and services aimed at hooking you up with an ethnic, religious or political counterpart.
AmericanSingles.com claims it will "jump start your love life"; eHarmony pledges to be there for you "when you're ready to find the love of your life"; PerfectMatch.com claims it is "the Internet's fastest growing relationship site"; Yahoo! personals allows you to "discover great singles near you"; Great Expectations maintains that since 1976 it has been "the nation's premiere destination for meeting and dating quality singles."

If you're a white supremacist, however, none of these services may be right for you. So, if you're having trouble making a love connection and you're uncomfortable at KKK rallies, haven't made your way to a Council of Conservative Citizens confab, or aren't interested in re-locating to a compound in Idaho, William Regnery's new whites-only dating service might be right up your alley. Regnery, one of the lesser-known members of the right wing publishing family, is currently searching for seed money to launch a service that promises to hook clients up with their very own special white supremacist love connection.

William Regnery, described as "famously reclusive" by the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report, knows from white supremacy: He is the publisher of The Occidental Quarterly, a publication described recently by Newsweek as "espous[ing] white nationalism" and "whose statement of principles calls for limiting immigration to 'selected people of European ancestry.'"

In a letter to subscribers, Regnery expressed his concern about the decreasing percentage of white people in the population and announced plans for a new dating service that he claims will address the problem. Internet-based and earmarked only for whites, Regnery's service aims to increase the white population in the United States through marriage and procreation.

Regnery's letter, titled "Population is Destiny" was an appeal to potential investors. The dating service, he said, will be only the "first arrow in a business quiver" providing "services and products to whites."

According to the Intelligence Report, Regnery pointed out that in addition to its money-making potential, the Caucasian-only dating service would be an opportunity to ensure "the survival of our race," which "depends upon our people marrying, reproducing and parenting."

Fears of being overwhelmed by people of color are not unusual, Mark Potok of the SPLC told Newsweek. They feed the "common paranoid fantasy" of white separatists, he said.

Regnery and his family have long been involved in "promoting white nationalism," the Intelligence Report pointed out. "His grandfather, William I, signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II." It was his father, Henry, who created Regnery Publishing, which during the Clinton-era became a "major purveyor of books by right-wing attack dogs like Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy."

"William II has made his mark as a major fundraiser in radical right circles as the founder of the Charles Martel Society in 2001," the Intelligence Report noted. The society publishes The Occidental Quarterly: A Journal of Western Thought and Opinion, "an academic-looking journal filled with articles by white-supremacist luminaries such as Sam Francis, editor for the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens and Wayne Lutton of the hate group The Social Contract Press."

A September 2003 posting at the Stormfront.org forum by TominTX, a "Friend of Stormfront" and a "sustaining member," pointed out that the Charles Martel Society is a non-profit 501(C)(3) group. TominTX advised the white nationalist community that "it would be wise to split our donations for educational purposes into tax-deductible entities -- this maximizes the donation we can make and directly defunds ZOG [the Zionist Occupied (or Occupation) Government]."

The Charles Martel Society also organizes conferences, summer schools and has a speaker's bureau -- "all designed to push Regnery's view that the white race is veering toward extinction," the Intelligence Report stated.

According to the Quarterly's web site, the Society is currently seeking funding several groundbreaking research projects: Taxing the White Family Out of Existence, a study to determine whether an over-bearing tax burden has forced white wives into the workplace thereby slowing the white birth rate; The Cost of Good Intentions, researching whether too much government money has gone to fostering minority-based programs at the expense of the white middle class; and Abjuring the Realm or How to Mitigate a Toxic Culture -- as life in the United States "become increasingly nasty, brutish and even short for whites," the Quarterly proposes publishing "a primer to help people better contend with the myriad problems of earning a livelihood, finding a support group, filtering out the worst elements of the toxic surroundings, raising and educating children."

Regnery Publishing is a subsidiary of the Washington, D.C.-based Eagle Publishing (part of Phillips Publishing, and the publisher of the notorious right wing weekly, Human Events). Not too long ago Regnery was just another publisher with nothing particularly distinguishable about the company: Then along came the presidency of William Jefferson Clinton.

In Gatlin gun-like succession a series of anti-Clinton titles blasted their way onto best seller lists across the country: Titles such as "Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security," (Bill Gertz, 1999); "Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton," (Barbara Olson, 2000); "High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton," (Ann Coulter, 1998); "Sellout: The Inside Story of President Clinton's Impeachment," (David Schippers, 2000); and "Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House," (Gary Aldrich, 1996), helped place Regnery on the map. (For a more complete list of Regnery-published see the posting by DeepModemMom at DemocraticUnderground.com.)

Regnery's recent book, "Unfit for Command" by John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi, is a scathing attack on John Kerry's war record and has shaken up the presidential race during the past few weeks. There's no doubt that O'Neill -- a longtime GOP operative and Kerry-hater -- and Harvard's Corsi -- who according to Capital Hill Blue is an "anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic homophobe who carpets bombs conservative bulletin boards with hate-filled screeds calling Kerry 'John Fucking Commie Kerry' and Senator Hillary Clinton 'the fat hog'" -- have made their own love connection.

William Regnery must be proud!

~by Bill Berkowitz

from Working For Change:
www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17524