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Nov 12, 2004 9:43:47 GMT -5
Post by stratman19 on Nov 12, 2004 9:43:47 GMT -5
I'm listening to Laura Ingraham's radio show, and one of her guests just made what I think is a GREAT point in response to the notion that religious people should keep their faith to themselves. Where would we be if the REVEREND Martin Luther King, Jr had kept his faith and beliefs to himself? He certainly wasn't a conservative, but he certainly used his religious faith to work to shape public policy. As an outsider looking in, it appears to me that only religious conservatives are to keep their faith to themselves. If you're a religious individual that happens to embrace liberal concepts, apparently you're more than welcome to frame the debate within your own religious concepts. |
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Nov 12, 2004 9:59:56 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 12, 2004 9:59:56 GMT -5
That was an interesting, if rather lengthy, article you posted on the blogosphere's reactionary assessment that there is a legitimate case for voting fraud this election, Chrisfan. 'twas duly noted.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:37:47 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 12, 2004 10:37:47 GMT -5
I think Martin Luther King still would have stood up for what he believed in and fought for his rights and others, even if he wasn't a religious person. He still would have changed a lot. He was a strong man, and you can't keep a strong man down.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:42:15 GMT -5
Post by Ampage on Nov 12, 2004 10:42:15 GMT -5
Later Strat!
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Nov 12, 2004 10:42:25 GMT -5
Post by chrisfan on Nov 12, 2004 10:42:25 GMT -5
I think Martin Luther King still would have stood up for what he believed in and fought for his rights and others, even if he wasn't a religious person. He still would have changed a lot. He was a strong man, and you can't keep a strong man down. At the risk of going right back to the circles of Wednesday ... I do not think that you can speak of a person like King, and his strength, and keep that separate from his faith. His strength, his convictions, and his drive came FROM his faith. This is the same concept that made it so funny to me when John KErry would talk during the campaign about how he was a religious person, but that his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there. A true person of faith CANNOT separate that faith from the rest of his life. |
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Nov 12, 2004 10:44:03 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 12, 2004 10:44:03 GMT -5
His true strength came from his heart and his mind.
And Kerry is a wise man to leave it at home.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:47:01 GMT -5
Post by chrisfan on Nov 12, 2004 10:47:01 GMT -5
You remember that Mort Kondracke piece i posted earlier this week, that you read the headline, and nothing else? Go back and read it.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:51:13 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 12, 2004 10:51:13 GMT -5
I'm busy.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:53:54 GMT -5
Post by Ampage on Nov 12, 2004 10:53:54 GMT -5
LOL! Chris, why do you even bother? You can lead a cheeser to water, but you can’t make him think.
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Nov 12, 2004 10:54:59 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 12, 2004 10:54:59 GMT -5
I'm listening to Laura Ingraham's radio show, and one of her guests just made what I think is a GREAT point in response to the notion that religious people should keep their faith to themselves. Where would we be if the REVEREND Martin Luther King, Jr had kept his faith and beliefs to himself? He certainly wasn't a conservative, but he certainly used his religious faith to work to shape public policy. HAH! And to think, my Mass Communications books says that he "used" TELEVISION to shape public opinion. These college books and professors are suppose to be designed to make one think......BAH BS ;D |
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Nov 12, 2004 10:55:56 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 12, 2004 10:55:56 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]This is the same concept that made it so funny to me when John KErry would talk during the campaign about how he was a religious person, but that his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there. A true person of faith CANNOT separate that faith from the rest of his life. [/glow]
This is why I don't bother with Church.
If it works for you, fine: 'tis a good thing. If it doesn't, that is also fine.
I attend a Church Not Made With Hands. This in no way makes me "better" than those who attend steepled-Churches. It just makes me me, and them them.
I wonder if any of you Church-going Christians can say the same of me -? That is, can you actually reply to this post with something roughly like "I think it is fine Thorn that you attend a 'Church Not Made With Hands', so long as that works for you". Guess I'll find out soon enough
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Nov 12, 2004 10:59:57 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 12, 2004 10:59:57 GMT -5
"...his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there."
Also, I think Chrisfan, to an extent, you are misunderstanding what Kerry meant by saying that. As pissin pointed out.
He meant that he practices tolerance of other people's beliefs, and does not wish to bring "matters of Faith" into other's lives if they happen to practice a different form of spirituality.
Whereas you made it seem as if Kerry meant he "stops believing when he walks out the Church door". You have got it quite wrong if you think that. At least, you seem not to be giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt. And twisting his intended meaning.
What do you have to say to that?
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Nov 12, 2004 11:00:10 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 12, 2004 11:00:10 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]This is the same concept that made it so funny to me when John KErry would talk during the campaign about how he was a religious person, but that his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there. A true person of faith CANNOT separate that faith from the rest of his life. [/glow] This is why I don't bother with Church. If it works for you, fine: 'tis a good thing. If it doesn't, that is also fine. I attend a Church Not Made With Hands. This in no way makes me "better" than those who attend steepled-Churches. It just makes me me, and them them. I wonder if any of you Church-going Christians can say the same of me -? That is, can you actually reply to this post with something roughly like "I think it is fine Thorn that you attend a 'Church Not Made With Hands', so long as that works for you". Guess I'll find out soon enough Thorn that is fine, I don't attend a church made with hands either. Unless you count the hands of God. ;D The Bible says there needs to be only 2 present to be considered a church, that would be you and God. The point that was being made though, is whatever "church" you attend, the same concepts should apply to every part of your life. |
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Nov 12, 2004 11:02:00 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 12, 2004 11:02:00 GMT -5
" ...his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there." Also, I think Chrisfan, to an extent, you are misunderstanding what Kerry meant by saying that. As pissin pointed out. He meant that he practices tolerance of other people's beliefs, and does not wish to bring "matters of Faith" into other's lives if they happen to practice a different form of spirituality. Whereas you made it seem as if Kerry meant he "stops believing when he walks out the Church door". You have got it quite wrong if you think that. At least, you seem not to be giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt. And twisting his intended meaning. What do you have to say to that? |
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Nov 12, 2004 11:05:26 GMT -5
Post by chrisfan on Nov 12, 2004 11:05:26 GMT -5
" ...his faith was something he practiced at church, and then left it there." Also, I think Chrisfan, to an extent, you are misunderstanding what Kerry meant by saying that. As pissin pointed out. He meant that he practices tolerance of other people's beliefs, and does not wish to bring "matters of Faith" into other's lives if they happen to practice a different form of spirituality. Whereas you made it seem as if Kerry meant he "stops believing when he walks out the Church door". You have got it quite wrong if you think that. At least, you seem not to be giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt. And twisting his intended meaning. What do you have to say to that? I would refer you, and John Kerry, back to the Mort Kondracke column I posted. If you believe that churches are teaching intolerance, then I would encourage you to visit one -- not to join, or to take on religion in the way a church encourages. Simply to understand what goes on in a church. IF you believe that intolerance is what is taught and encouraged in thsoe steepled buildings, then you don't understand what is happening to allow for their tax exempt status. |
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