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[chrisfan]

NF, I have to say, I find it rather telling that you don't use scripture at all to back up your point that Christianity is a personal thing between you and God, and that church is not included.

And it's a shame that you declared "Fuck Rick Warren" back there. Because he would agree very strongly with you that the reason people don't go to church is the fault of the leaders. He's devoted the better part of his life to fixing that.

[pissin2]

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[pissin2]

Tell me! Tell me where is the love?
In a careless creation
When there’s no “above”
There’s no justice
Just a cause and a cure
And a bounty of suffering
It seems we all endure
And what I’m frightened of
Is that they call it “God’s love”

Twisted torment, make-believe
There’s a truth and we all submit
“Believe my eyes,” my brain complies
To all that they interpret

[pissin2]

Tell me what we’re fighting for—
No progress ever came from war,
only a false sense of increase

and the world won’t wait
for the truth upon a plate
but we’re ready now to feast on an atheist peace.

[Nepenthe]

Chrisfan said:

NF, I have to say, I find it rather telling that you don't use scripture at all to back up your point that Christianity is a personal thing between you and God, and that church is not included.

And it's a shame that you declared "Fuck Rick Warren" back there. Because he would agree very strongly with you that the reason people don't go to church is the fault of the leaders. He's devoted the better part of his life to fixing that.

Chris wasn't that what I was doing when I refered to the thief on the cross? Is that not part of the Bible or am I just imagining things? Wasn't that a personal interaction between Jesus and the thief? Do you honestly think God has changed this rule now?

What is a shame is that you would disenfranchise the ones that cannot possibly join a church or gather with a friend or relative to study Christianity (can we say communism in it's worst form?) Or those that on their death bed convert.

I don't need Rick Warren to tell me that the reason people don't go to church is because of the leaders. I can read that in the Bible as well. By telling a person they MUST attend church or they are not a Christian would surely turn many away from the concept.

[Nepenthe]

Pissin2 said:

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

With this you are starting to sound like the Sadducees and Pharisees.

[Galactus]

I think it's great example of how people pick and choose what's important, how they taylor God's message to fit their own beliefs.

[Nepenthe]

NymphoFantasia said:

With this you are starting to sound like the Sadducees and Pharisees.

And so is Chris.

[pissin2]

Is Pharisees anything like a Pharoah? Cause they're pretty cool.

[Nepenthe]

Let us not forget the ones that are too ill to attend a church and have no one in their lives that they can get together with to read the Bible.

I always thought that was truely one of the reasons, along with the other reasons, and still more reasons, that God/Jesus left the Holy Spirit here on earth as the comforter.

[Philemon]

I always thought that was truely one the reasons, along with the other reasons I have stated that God/Jesus left the Holy Spirit here on earth as the comforter.

Silly me who thought it was because of what he did to Mary ...

[someone]

NymphoFantasia said:

You know, I know no one wants to hear this but I feel it needs to be said.

Many on the boards have unfairly judged me I think and I want to clear something up.

I can just imagine with my last post what is going through "some" minds. There were some pictures that were put up on our websites. I know I know this is so immoral right? I have gotten jabs by roc, shin, and many others.

I want to know why those pictures are considered so immoral? Weren't Adam and Eve created naked? (no one is completey naked in those pics btw) But why did God cover Adam and Eve up? Because they began to do "perverted" things maybe? This is how I see what shin and a few others did, they made something perverted that really God never intended to be perverted.

Ok I am done, I felt that just had to be said so I don't get any judgemental smartass comments.

No one said anything about those pics being immoral, we said they were fucking gross. I saw your boyfriend's balls and I will never forgive either of you for it.

[Nepenthe]

someone said:

No one said anything about those pics being immoral, we said they were fucking gross. I saw your boyfriend's balls and I will never forgive either of you for it.

It is hardly my fault that you didn't take the warning seriously on the link that said "personalized pictures don't click if you are easily offended."

Why were you gawking at them then? Why were you even at his Website?

[Nepenthe]

Pissin2 said:

Is Pharisees anything like a Pharoah? Cause they're pretty cool.

Pissin, as argumentative as you are you never fail to make me laugh.

[Nepenthe]

Another large group of people that gets disinfranchised with the "you aren't a Christian if you don't go to church"is the many that have never laid eyes on a Bible or heard of Jesus Christ. Or those that were raised in another religion from the time they were young children. Are all of these people going to fry like a piece of bacon in hell?

Those that practice what is natural and within the law but have never heard of the law, are a law unto themselves. And God is fair to them. This IS a Biblical concept as well, it can be found in the book of Romans.