CE 7

[Meursault]

C'mon everyone, just try honesty.

The earth is desecrated and filled with wackos who blow each other up.

[Ampage]

LMAO! I think that’s hysterical in print. Not sure why, just do. Must be from all the fumes I breathe in playing in all that traffic.

[Ampage]

Meursault said:

C'mon everyone, just try honesty.

The earth is desecrated and filled with wackos who blow each other up.

As well as Wacko Jackos who just like to blow.

[RocDoc]

When you talk about support, are you talking about monetary, structural, or both? I can understand why it is such a devisive issue ... it's a very complex one that does not lend itself to soundbite discussions. Hell, it really doesn't even lend itself to hour-long discussion shows.

Oh go-o-od, the C-word, Chrisfan! NO!

Don't dare to introduce _*GASP!* 'complexity' into the mix here!

We know that it doesn't serve the Kerry camp well here...after all, their leader has 'got a plan', ironclad, guaranteed to work, just like Edwards repeatedly stated...

½ ;D

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90 second or 2 minute bits of time were in 95% of the questions asked, simply insufficient time for a representation(or a 'defense' if you will)of what EITHER side needed to say to truly get across what would assure ME, if I were walking into this as a blank slate, that Cheney OR Edwards knew WTF they were going to do OR why they did what the ALREADY have done....


The 30 second retort 'opportunity' was so often completely for shit, given the often convoluted 'answers' which preceded them...

If that moderator's job was to pick/find questions that lent themselves to 90 or 120 second bits of time, then she prob didn't do a very good job....tho these guys' capacities as 'professional talkers'(ie scenery-eating 'politicians')also tended to sometimes swallow up 30 sec bits of their limited time with greetings and/or other minutiae...

[pissin2]

Kerry actually brings interesting points to the table, while Bush basically dodges every single question and says "hey the world is a safer place because of me, we're doing great, vote for me" and just smiles and giggles like someone is fingering his asshole. The best was when he slipped and said something like "I'm better fit to lead the world" Did anyone else catch this? I thought he was running for presidency of America.

[Ampage]

Was that right after Kerry said “I am best to lead this world, wait, no I am not, er, um, lemme see here, yes, yes, I am……maybe, maybe not, depends, who is listening right now?”

[Ampage]

And the truth is finally out there, Pissin obviously gets the giggles when someone fingers his asshole.

[Thorngrub]

emails from soldiers in Iraq to Michael Moore

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I went to Iraq with thoughts of killing people who I thought were horrible. I was like, "#### Iraq, #### these people, I hope we kill thousands." I believed my president. He was taking care of business and wasn't going to let al Qaeda push us around. I was with the 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry, 3rd Infantry division out of Fort Stewart, Georgia. My unit was one of the first to Baghdad. I was so scared. Didn't know what to think. Seeing dead bodies for the first time. People blown in half. Little kids with no legs. It was overwhelming, the sights, sounds, fear. I was over there from Jan'03 to Aug'03. I hated every minute. It was a daily battle to keep my spirits up. I hate the army and my job. I am supposed to get out next February but will now be unable to because the asshole in the White House decided that now would be a great time to put a stop-loss in effect for the army. So I get to do a second tour in Iraq and be away from those I love again because some guy has the audacity to put others' lives on the line for his personal war. I thought we were the good guys.

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From: Michael W
Sent: Tuesday July 13 2004 12.28pm
Subject: Dude, Iraq sucks


My name is Michael W and I am a 30-year-old National Guard infantryman serving in southeast Baghdad. I have been in Iraq since March of 04 and will continue to serve here until March of 05.

In the few short months my unit has been in Iraq, we have already lost one man and have had many injured (including me) in combat operations. And for what? At the very least, the government could have made sure that each of our vehicles had the proper armament to protect us soldiers.

In the early morning hours of May 10, one month to the day from my 30th birthday, I and 12 other men were attacked in a well-executed roadside ambush in south-east Baghdad. We were attacked with small-arms fire, a rocket-propelled grenade, and two well-placed roadside bombs. These roadside bombs nearly destroyed one of our Hummers and riddled my friends with shrapnel, almost killing them. They would not have had a scratch if they had the "Up Armour" kits on them. So where was [George] W [Bush] on that one?

It's just so ridiculous, which leads me to my next point. A Blackwater contractor makes $15,000 [£8,400] a month for doing the same job as my pals and me. I make about $4,000 [£2,240] a month over here. What's up with that?

Beyond that, the government is calling up more and more troops from the reserves. For what? Man, there is a huge ####ing scam going on here! There are civilian contractors crawling all over this country. Blackwater, Kellogg Brown & Root, Halliburton, on and on. These contractors are doing everything you can think of from security to catering lunch!

We are spending money out the ass for this shit, and very few of the projects are going to the Iraqi people. Someone's back is getting scratched here, and it ain't the Iraqis'!

My life is left to chance at this point. I just hope I come home alive.
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from: Specialist Willy
Sent: Tuesday March 9 2004 1.23pm
Subject: Thank you

Mike, I'd like to thank you for all of the support you're showing for the soldiers here in Iraq. I am in Baghdad right now, and it's such a relief to know that people still care about the lemmings who are forced to fight in this conflict.

It's hard listening to my platoon sergeant saying, "If you decide you want to kill a civilian that looks threatening, shoot him. I'd rather fill out paperwork than get one of my soldiers killed by some raghead." We are taught that if someone even looks threatening we should do something before they do something to us. I wasn't brought up in fear like that, and it's going to take some getting used to.

It's also very hard talking to people here about this war. They don't like to hear that the reason they are being torn away from their families is bullshit, or that their "president" doesn't care about them. A few people here have become quite upset with me, and at one point I was going to be discharged for constantly inciting arguments and disrespect to my commander-in-chief (Dubya). It's very hard to be silenced about this when I see the same 150 people every day just going through the motions, not sure why they are doing it.

[ Willy sent an update in early August ]

People's perceptions of this war have done a complete 180 since we got here. We had someone die in a mortar attack the first week, and ever since then, things have changed completely. Soldiers are calling their families urging them to support John Kerry. If this is happening elsewhere, it looks as if the overseas military vote that Bush is used to won't be there this time around.



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From: Kyle Waldman
Sent: Friday February 27 2004 2.35am
Subject: None

As we can all obviously see, Iraq was not and is not an imminent threat to the United States or the rest of the world. My time in Iraq has taught me a little about the Iraqi people and the state of this war-torn, poverty-stricken country.

The illiteracy rate in this country is phenomenal. There were some farmers who didn't even know there was an Operation Iraqi Freedom. This was when I realised that this war was initiated by the few who would profit from it and not for its people. We, as the coalition forces, did not liberate these people; we drove them even deeper into poverty. I don't foresee any economic relief coming soon to these people by the way Bush has already diverted its oil revenues to make sure there will be enough oil for our SUVs.

We are here trying to keep peace when all we have been trained for is to destroy. How are 200,000 soldiers supposed to take control of this country? Why didn't we have an effective plan to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure? Why aren't the American people more aware of these atrocities?

My fiancee and I have seriously looked into moving to Canada as political refugees.

[pissin2]

It just amazes me that there are actually living, breathing humans in this country that can seriously take ANYTHING George W. Bush says seriously.

[chrisfan]

Pissin2 said:

It just amazes me that there are actually living, breathing humans in this country that can seriously take ANYTHING George W. Bush says seriously.

Well we're still breathin for now, but like Amp said, the car fumes from the traffic we're playing in are starting to get to us. So we may have to stop breathing now. That'll help us though. It'll help our bodies to handle BUsh's environmental policies. Can you believe all that gas and ash he's allowing Washington state to release right now from that mountain shaped smoke stack???

[Ampage]

The only reason you believe Kerry is because he will tell you whatever you want to hear.

[Ampage]

Good point. And my freaking brakes on my car went bad a few weeks ago, I don’t know how he did it, but I am sure it was his fault. Rat bastard.

[JesusLooksLikeMe]

Pissin2 said:

It just amazes me that there are actually living, breathing humans in this country that can seriously take ANYTHING George W. Bush says seriously.

There probably aren't any such people. He's a politician after all.

[chrisfan]

Ampage said:

Good point. And my freaking brakes on my car went bad a few weeks ago, I don’t know how he did it, but I am sure it was his fault. Rat bastard.

Well duh ... George W Bush wants everyone driving SUVs so tha the environment will be destroyed, and the Saudi royal family will make lots of money. So, he sends people around to screw with non-SUV cars so that hopefully the car drivers will get rid of their fuel-efficient modes of transportation, and buy Hummers. I'm pretty sure that is why Ari Fliescher "left" the White House. Rumor has it that he knows a lot about cars, so he's been travelling around the country carrying out Bush's anti-car mission.

[Ampage]

I’m dialing the local Escalade dealer as we speak…………………