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Post by Ampage on Sept 16, 2004 10:40:55 GMT -5
Go Broncos!
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Post by stratman19 on Sept 16, 2004 10:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by stratman19 on Sept 16, 2004 10:55:12 GMT -5
I'll take moore's puking over that guys diarhea shitting anyday Then you're a fucking idiot. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 16, 2004 11:13:13 GMT -5
Help me out here Stratman. That article I quoted and was sick over -- tell me somethin my man:
First, let's take a deep breath.
Ok.
According to the slant that journalist was taking . . . does it or does it not seem that, IF what he is saying is TRUE (I'm willing to suspend mydisbeliefs momentarily for this), does it not then make sense that WE SHOULD IN FACT BE WAGING TRUE AND MERCILESS WAR AGAINST ALL ARABS AND THE ENTIRE MIDEAST IN ORDER TO WIPE OUT THE SCOURGE OF SUBVERSIVE TERRORISM AGAINST US, ONCE AND FOR ALL?
See what I'm saying? Cuz IF what this reporter is saying is ON THE MONEY, then THAT is the only logical solution, the only real "Final Solution" that makes any sense at all. The ayatollahs, fallujahs, and all the rest of em -- if they are indeed secretly craving that we NOT in fact disrupt the terrorist networks -- THEN WE SHOULD KILL EM ALL.
But I thought we were going after the terrorists.
Perhaps this is where we FORCE the issue upon all of them: to find out in whose various beds they really lie; in whose buckets their left hands are really into.
Man it's a legitimate clusterfuck, no matter what happens, then.
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That is why I am AGAINST BUSH -- simply because I am AGAINST THE USE OF FORCE as the means to accomplish what every decent citizen of earth desires. I merely believe that it will BACKFIRE, that's all. And I simply believe there are BETTER and SMARTER ways that we could wage a subversive, counter-terrorist campaign against our true enemies: which don't necessarily have to be ALL ARABS and THE ENTIRE MIDEAST.
All I'm saying is: IF we are going to FALL BACK ON MILITARY FORCE in order to solve this problem, then it will become an ALL OR NOTHING proposition, by the very terms that such force's CONSEQUENCES will demand. I.E, Kill Em All will END UP becoming our only option, if we continue down this route (IMO).
ONLY by attempting to utilize a truly devious and intelligent, subversive, covert campaign that utilizes MONEY as our primary weapon, can we stand a chance at achieving a COMPROMISE with the various Mid-East factions which will FINALLY RELENT and LET GO of their terrorist ties (IMO).
Can you see where I'm comin from -? Help me out here stratman. I only want to believe the truth. Show me the truth man. I want to be on your side; I want to get united. We all need to be on the same page.
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Post by Proud on Sept 16, 2004 11:16:34 GMT -5
if bush takes new jersey i will permanently injure a limb. two if he takes the election as well.
update: the harris poll or whatever it's called has kerry ahead by 1 point. this helps back up my idea that polls mean absolutely nothing. i see no consistancy in these things...
in other words, wait for the debates. if dubya doesn't find a way out of all three, that is.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 16, 2004 11:16:51 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]And I simply believe there are BETTER and SMARTER ways that we could wage a subversive, counter-terrorist campaign against our true enemies[/glow]
By the way RocDoc -- before you jump down my throat unjustifiably with your bitchin about me claimin "sainthood" and all: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE BETTER AND SMARTER WAYS ARE!!! I just know they EXIST. Is that okay with you?
In case you don't understand: I DON'T HAVE THE FUCKING ANSWERS. I just know that Bush's methodology DOES NOT SEEM TO ME to be the correct way, that's all.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 16, 2004 11:38:13 GMT -5
As for that Christopher Hitchins article you posted stratman -- denouncing Moore's "propagandistic" attributes of his 911 film -- I agree with you, he has pointed out, quite thoroughly, every biased and slanted approach that Moore lobs at his audience in the film.
The thing is, Hitchin's obviously misses the simple point that Moore is doing absolutely nothing that the extreme conservative rightwing, as exemplified in defacto by their overly-heralded Chief Of Staff, hasn't been systematically dishing out to unsuspecting audiences for the last two hundred years.
Moore is merely "fighting fire with fire", the same way Bush believes he is "fighting fire with fire". Moore is using the same tactics of biased and opinionated journalistic methods that the extreme right have believed they had some kind of undisputed territorial rights to all these years.
THAT's why the Right is so inflamed against Moore! And that's the only reason I respect MIchael Moore: NOT for his crass opinions per se; but rather, because he is just about the only Left Winger who is Making A Stand against the Newspeak, Rightwing Corporate Media-Influencing demographic gaining a stronger foothold on American politics every election.
He's simply 1 lone Leftist standing up against the Imperialist status-quo, that's all. And since I cannot stand the status-quo, I get my private little shits & giggles that this frumpy, annoying, baseball-hat-wearin regular guy off the street has made such advancements against the establishment with his biased, slanted, and highly opinionated "yellow" journalism.
Would that he were not "alone".
Would that there were an entire Army of "Michael Moores".
Well guess what, Rightwing?
Our frumpy little midwestern bastard is about to spawn an entire new generation of such.
And I, for one, can hardly wait to applaud the onset of the "post-Moore boomer babies".
The Left is finally learning to fight dirty.
When we get up to par with your well-oiled dirty tricks, y'all won't stand a chance. That is why Michael Moore, in all his irritant-glory, is a true Champion.
I can't WAIT for the day when the Right bends over, sticks it's head between its legs, and kisses its ass goodbye. That goes for the extreme Left too. Then everyone else left in the middle-ground can have a real party.
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Post by stratman19 on Sept 16, 2004 12:03:32 GMT -5
Thorny: Help me out here Stratman. That article I quoted and was sick over -- tell me somethin my man:
That is why I am AGAINST BUSH -- simply because I am AGAINST THE USE OF FORCE as the means to accomplish what every decent citizen of earth desires.
Well Thorn, sometimes the use of force is necessay. To think otherwise is just naive. I'm sure your point of view is just what the terrorists want to hear.
Can you see where I'm comin from -? Help me out here stratman. I only want to believe the truth. Show me the truth man. I want to be on your side; I want to get united. We all need to be on the same page.
I don't know what "THE TRUTH" is. What I do know, is that you and I will never be on the same side Thorn. Our thought processes and philosophies are way to different for us to ever be on the same side.
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Post by stratman19 on Sept 16, 2004 12:06:36 GMT -5
As for that Christopher Hitchins article you posted stratman -- denouncing Moore's "propagandistic" attributes of his 911 film -- I agree with you, he has pointed out, quite thoroughly, every biased and slanted approach that Moore lobs at his audience in the film.
I didn't post that article, Amp did. I simply agreed with it. Needless to say, I think Moore is a dickhead.
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 16, 2004 12:08:41 GMT -5
That what you think I did was jump down your throat with zero provocation, totally unjustifiedly is simply further proof of this untouchable self-conferred sainthood....ta.
The Theme:
"Can't Touch ThisMe"
...don't dare lest I drown you in my unquenchable compassssion....
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Post by pissin2 on Sept 16, 2004 12:14:08 GMT -5
the fact is Moore has more knowledge and more balls than anyone on this board, that's why you don't like him.
And heart. Instead of just sitting on this board bitching about what you do and do not like (yes I know I'm guilty of it too) he's actually out there doing something. And whether it's biased or not it's still more information and a hell of a lot more thought provoking than what we would get from the president or news stations.
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Post by chrisfan on Sept 16, 2004 12:18:55 GMT -5
the fact is Moore has more knowledge and more balls than anyone on this board, that's why you don't like him. And heart. Instead of just sitting on this board bitching about what you do and do not like (yes I know I'm guilty of it too) he's actually out there doing something. And whether it's biased or not it's still more information and a hell of a lot more thought provoking than what we would get from the president or news stations. Of course it is. Because the president and news stations get mired down in silly details like facts. Well, except for CBS that is. ;D |
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Post by Ampage on Sept 16, 2004 12:21:31 GMT -5
Like, touche and stuff!
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Post by pissin2 on Sept 16, 2004 12:21:36 GMT -5
facts, but not all the facts.
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Post by stratman19 on Sept 16, 2004 12:24:19 GMT -5
Of course it is. Because the president and news stations get mired down in silly details like facts. Well, except for CBS that is. ;D LMFAO!! ;D |
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