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[chrisfan]

The Peterson verdict, IMO, proves just how worthless most of the "experts" who analyze every news story are. Most of them had labeled the two alternates who were added to the jury as pro-defense, and declared that if they had a quick verdict, it would have to be not guilty. OF course, the beauty of being an "expert" like that is that the news networks never seem to go back to those tapes and say "now you said he'd be found not guilty. You were wrong. Why?"

"Experts" on news programs have less pressure to be accurate than weathermen do!

[Nepenthe]

Chris, you are putting words into my mouth once again. I have never said people shouldn't go to church. I simply said that to be considered a Christian, you do not have to join a church. Some churches make you pay a fee or a certain amount of tithes every month in order to become a "member", there are many that just literally can't afford this. Does this make them not Christian? There are other churches that literally throw people out and tell them they can't be a member because of something they did, like "divorce". Yes Chris this is done in some Catholic churches and other types of churches.

If you don't think that the relationship between an individual and God is a personal one, then I don't know what to tell you. Because it is a personal thing for MANY people.

The book of revelations also has letters in it to the 7 churches in Asia, and do you know what? Out of those churches ONLY 2 were doing what they were suppose to, teaching what they were suppose to. ONLY 2 found favor with God. These are the CHURCHES that were started by the disciples btw, others were changing things around and doing it their own way. Things are no different today.

If a person is unable to find a good church that is teaching correctly then I feel they can study at home just as easily and STILL be a Christian. You might understand that if you lived in the heart of the Bible belt. I am not going to sit and argue this over and over with you.

I thank God that he pointed me in the right direction, to my mentor, because I had been to many churches and I just somehow couldn't get comfortable with what was being taught and the rules behind being able to join them.

This is all too familar to me from something in the book of Amos.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to even the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

[stratman19]

Peterson guilty!

Damn, they deliberate for 5 days, then bump 2 (one the foreman), and bam - they come in straightaway with a verdict!

Yes! That bastard is guilty! Now hopefully the case will stand up under the inevitable appeal. The way this whole thing had been going, I'd have bet real money that Peterson was going to get off.

I bet Dana is happy today.

[stratman19]

Thorn: Since I believe that dropping bombs on other countries is not very Christian regardless of the situation...

Oh sure Thorn. So we let Germany run roughshod over Europe during WWI. We just let the Axis Powers take over the world in WWII because we're much to good to drop bombs on them and fight back. We'll just say to Saddam Hussein "Go ahead and keep Kuwait. We don't believe in fighting back." We'll just let this dark cloud of Islamic fascism consume our way of life because you want to sit around a global campfire singing Kumbaya with people intent on destroying us. Goddamn it, wake up and get real...or stay in that apparent drug induced haze you're in.

Thorn: So I'll tell you what: you go ahead and keep on waving your flags and reading your bibles and going to church and urging the killing of our enemies.

Get off your goddamn self-righteous soapbox Thorn.

1. I'll keep flying my flag. Gotta problem w/ that? So what.

2. I don't read the Bible, and I don't go to church, but I defend those who do. Gotta problem w/ it? So what.

3. I sure as hell will continue to urge the killing of our enemies, enemies intent on destroying our way of life. Go ahead and give 'em a hug Thorn...I'd rather give 'em a bullet.

Chrisfan is right. You don't listen to a goddamn thing anyone has to say here. You're much too busy climbing up on that well used soapbox of your's, and attempting to club everybody into fucking submission to your point of view. You're too busy putting your own
spin/interpretation on what other people say, to be bothered to ask them what they mean, and then to actually think about it.

You'd rather club them over the fucking head, not think about what they honestly believe, or bury them with verbiage...knock yourself out. You really piss me off. Fuck you.

[chrisfan]

NymphoFantasia said:

Chris, you are putting words into my mouth once again. I have never said people shouldn't go to church. I simply said that to be considered a Christian, you do not have to join a church. Some churches make you pay a fee or a certain amount of tithes every month in order to become a "member", there are many that just literally can't afford this. Does this make them not Christian? There are other churches that literally throw people out and tell them they can't be a member because of something they did, like "divorce". Yes Chris this is done in some Catholic churches and other types of churches.

If you don't think that the relationship between an individual and God is a personal one, then I don't know what to tell you. Because it is a personal thing for MANY people.

The book of revelations also has letters in it to the 7 churches in Asia, and do you know what? Out of those churches ONLY 2 were doing what they were suppose to, teaching what they were suppose to. ONLY 2 found favor with God. These are the CHURCHES that were started by the disciples btw, others were changing things around and doing it their own way. Things are no different today.

If a person is unable to find a good church that is teaching correctly then I feel they can study at home just as easily and STILL be a Christian. You might understand that if you lived in the heart of the Bible belt. I am not going to sit and argue this over and over with you.

I thank God that he pointed me in the right direction, to my mentor, because I had been to many churches and I just somehow couldn't get comfortable with what was being taught and the rules behind being able to join them.

This is all too familar to me from something in the book of Amos.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to even the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

NF, do you not realize that if you have a mentor, if you have a person who you meet with in order to grow spiritually, then that means that two on earth are gathering in his name? So do you not realize that you are doing exactly what is expressed in Matthew? So what's your beef with me? You're doing what I interpret the passage to mean. I'm not saying people should be forced to go to a crappy church (a church that is not doing what the bible prescribes for it, BTW). As Lady of the Lake said, I'm also not saying that a person in a situation where he cannot go to church is doing something wrong. I'm saying that if a person has the ability to gather with other Christians, and does not do that, then he is not going with the teachings of the bible.

I'd also be curious to know exactly where you've asserted this notion into what I've said that if you don't do precisely what you're taught in the bible, then you're not a Christian. Where did that come from? By my count, if that were true, this world would have only seen one Christian throughout its history, and that would be Christ himself.

[chrisfan]

stratman19 said:

Peterson guilty!

Damn, they deliberate for 5 days, then bump 2 (one the foreman), and bam - they come in straightaway with a verdict!

Yes! That bastard is guilty! Now hopefully the case will stand up under the inevitable appeal. The way this whole thing had been going, I'd have bet real money that Peterson was going to get off.

I bet Dana is happy today.

I e-mailed her. I"m dying to hear how she celebrated!

[stratman19]

Chrisfan said:

I e-mailed her. I"m dying to hear how she celebrated!

I owe her a phone call too. She called me the day before the election and left a voicemail. It was classic Dana, and cracked me up! Anyway, I had to work election day, and when I next had a chance to call, she was too busy to talk. I told her I'd call again, but that involves setting aside some serious time, as our phone calls usually run about 2 hours!

I think I'll try again on Sunday. It's great talking to her.

[Nepenthe]

Chrisfan said:

NF, do you not realize that if you have a mentor, if you have a person who you meet with in order to grow spiritually, then that means that two on earth are gathering in his name? So do you not realize that you are doing exactly what is expressed in Matthew? So what's your beef with me? You're doing what I interpret the passage to mean. I'm not saying people should be forced to go to a crappy church (a church that is not doing what the bible prescribes for it, BTW). As Lady of the Lake said, I'm also not saying that a person in a situation where he cannot go to church is doing something wrong. I'm saying that if a person has the ability to gather with other Christians, and does not do that, then he is not going with the teachings of the bible.

I'd also be curious to know exactly where you've asserted this notion into what I've said that if you don't do precisely what you're taught in the bible, then you're not a Christian. Where did that come from? By my count, if that were true, this world would have only seen one Christian throughout its history, and that would be Christ himself.

Chris, what makes you think I have a beef with you? We disagree on an interpretation from Matthew. That does not constitute a beef.

This is where I got that notion:

And I"m not the only one who differs from you in this interpretation. Rick Warren uses this passage in Purpose Driven Life to argue why a person can't truly be a Chrstian and choose not to be a part of a church.

And with this I could argue that I am not the only one that feels that the Christian relationship is a personal one between the individual and God, Billy Graham has said this many times.

And I wasn't defending myself Chris, I was defending others that are Christians that might not go to a man made church.

And you are definately right about that last part, everyone falls short.

[chrisfan]

NymphoFantasia said:

Chris, what makes you think I have a beef with you? We disagree on an interpretation from Matthew. That does not constitute a beef.

This is where I got that notion:



And with this I could argue that I am not the only one that feels that the Christian relationship is a personal one between the individual and God, Billy Graham has said this many times.

And I wasn't defending myself Chris, I was defending others that are Christians that might not go to a man made church.

And you are definately right about that last part, everyone falls short.

Where did I ever say it must be a man made church? YOu said, to start all of this, that Matthew said that you only needed yourself to be with God, because the Holy Spirit consituted the second person. I explained why I believe that to be incorrect -- and to be honest, you have yet to refute that. I firmly believe that growing spiritually with others is a crucial aspect of practicing Christianity, and I believe that is backed up with scripture. Does that mean that having a personal relationship with God is not also a crucial part of being a Christian? Absolutely not! In fact, I believe quite the opposite. Guess that's why I believe that both Rick Warren AND Billy Graham are right on the money. I'd also point out to you that Billy Graham travled the country bringing GROUPS of Christians together to grow in their faith. Coincedence?

[rockkid]

Yup just what I was thinking upon hearing the news, some where sherocks is doing the happy dance.
Now for the sentencing phase…… lets hope it fits the crime.

[Nepenthe]

And technically since we are both christians we both should be turning the other cheek in this disagreement.

sister ;D

[Nepenthe]

Chris, as I said before I never said people should not go to church. But I do constitute the holy spirit as a second witness, and a second entity to gather with to have God in the midst, and to constitute a church gathering in your private home. I will do some further searching if you would like. I am pretty sure I can find more about it.

[Nepenthe]

Chris I did refute it, remember I said that it says nothing about "people" and that I would go back to the holy spirit. And you said something pertaining to here on earth and I said the holy spirit is here on earth.

[stratman19]

rockkid said:

Yup just what I was thinking upon hearing the news, some where sherocks is doing the happy dance.
Now for the sentencing phase…… lets hope it fits the crime.

You betcha Rock. That case meant a lot to her, now hopefully he'll get the death penalty, and the whole case will stand up upon appeal.

[rockkid]

Shades of O’Riley………..

LOS ANGELES -- Political comic Bill Maher is being sued by a woman who claims he shook her at a party and welched on promises to marry her and buy her a home in Beverly Hills. Nancy "Coco'' Johnsen, a former model and flight attendant, is seeking $9 million US and other unspecified damages, according to the action filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court. It accuses Maher of fraud, battery and assault.
An e-mail seeking comment from Maher was not immediately returned yesterday. He could not be located by telephone for comment.
Johnsen claims she fell in love with the HBO Real Time host during a 17-month relationship that began in January 2003.
According to the suit, Maher convinced Johnsen to quit her career and in return promised the two would marry and have children, that he would reimburse her for clothing and other expenses necessary for her to accompany him as a "power couple'' and that he would support her for the rest of her life. He also promised to buy her the house in Beverly Hills where Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez once lived or give her money to buy a similar house, the suit contends.
But after she quit her job at Delta Airlines, Johnsen said, Maher "verbally abused'' her, and at a party last May he became angry and shook her, causing back and neck injuries.
She left his home and ended the relationship in May, Johnsen said.

Everybody wants something I guess sigh