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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 16:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfan on Aug 2, 2005 16:41:43 GMT -5
I meant to interject that their knowledge of what perhaps drove this 'soldier' who's face supposedly has been 'burned into their memories', their 95 year old memories... ...that that knowledge cannot be in any way certain. It's in no way a 'tortured logic' designed to simply 'excuse', but Germans had been known to imprison families (or particularly pretty daughters or mothers) to force behaviors...the 'Witnesses' would not be privy to 'backstory' on this 'vicious Ukrainian' who's 87 year old face the think they're seeing now. There've been studies on 'eyewitnesses' done where 6 months after the fact, the 'memory', the visual's gone. Place 60 YEARS of aging on this old guy and how in the hell accurate have you possibly been? So I ask again - where exactly do you draw the line? Do you set a strict statue of limitations that if a criminal makes it past, they can't be tried? Oops, we didn't find Laci Peterson's body in time, so Scott, you can walk? Okay, so it's taken a while for us to find you Mr KKK, and since you blew up that church in Alabama 40 years ago, we know you did it, but you're free? I can see the reasoning behind the doubt and empathy. But where do you draw the line? |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 16:53:11 GMT -5
Ho. Ho. Yer a riot.
I think deportation's about as kind a response to possible Nazi activities as one's ever going to find.
'Possible Nazis'
EVERYONE in that part of the world was drawn into the shit there. If you weren't 'for' the Russians, well gee, guess WHO it was you essentially were 'for'...and in ALL of the Baltics AND in the Ukraine EVERYONE hated the Russians (whose behavior through the ages dictated that...oh and this lovely SSR that they'd founded) and had to find the fine line of how to conduct themselves.
Imagine yourselves in this position please. The insane stress...while you've got the Jews, in unmistakeable survival mode, HAVING to pull 'for' the Russian in all their SSR glory.
Immoveable force meet irresistable object.
WITH the possibility for nuance within these strictures, but....can anyone see the lines having been drawn after 5years of uncertainty into a possible 'all-or-nothing' on both sides in more than a handful of individual cases??
Fuck. It was a can't-win, which I find hard to imagine no-one here can place themselves in.
So IF 'possible Nazis' is a good enough description for ya, goddamn, just cart off all the Baltic, Ukrainian, Byelorussian and Polish emigrants to the U.S. betw 1946 and say, 1958 off to their friggin 'paradise' homelands where they can beg on the streets.
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 16:55:48 GMT -5
My 'ho. ho.' was to this tripe:
On that note, I'm patiently awaiting such forgiveness in future conversations about present terrorists, by the way. I'm sure a few of them have felt coerced into attacking the Great Satan when they'd rather just study in school. Perhaps you'd be willing to bring that up at a later time. Consistency in nuance is a wonderful thing, methinks.
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Post by chrisfan on Aug 2, 2005 16:56:00 GMT -5
I'm going to try one more time ... WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE DOC?  |
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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 16:57:26 GMT -5
I think this is the part of the conversation where I'm supposed to go "I respect and appreciate your experiences in life but I should suggest that you not let them cloud your judgement of a seperate situation that has no connection with your life experiences. Perhaps you're allowing your personal feelings to confuse the issue."
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Post by ken on Aug 2, 2005 16:58:47 GMT -5
Yes, but what about this?  |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 16:59:47 GMT -5
On the KKK case(because I see we're going to cross-post yet again, I'm not jumping to it just now, for proof), was there one 'witness' recalling that one guy's face and were there 'documents' as suspect as the hole-filled Nazi evidence?
'The line' I think HAS TO be assumed within the all-American legal-beagle term...er....'reasonable doubt'.
Time-honored, except for seemingly many of these cases.
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 17:03:53 GMT -5
CF, give me a break...'the line' here is one for fucking Einstein.
...a seperate situation that has no connection with your life experiences.
Yes, it does. It's on these pages. Black and white.
Try reading AND comprehending
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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 17:04:04 GMT -5
Reasonable doubt is one thing, saying "oh he's so old and he's lived admirably since then, doesn't that stand for something?" is another.
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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 17:05:27 GMT -5
My apologies. I thought you said "it could be my Dad", not "it was my Dad". I didn't know this specific case was directly connected with people in your life.
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 17:10:10 GMT -5
Extenuation, reasonable doubt, coercion, youth....
Senile dementia, diminished capacity...Alzheimer syndrome early stage, undiagnosed.
The changes of a face with 60 fucking years of aging trumps eyewitnesses (who HAVE had a life of suffering and torture with their memories, yes)fingering a blue-eyed blond resident of a Baltic nation in a village of 10,000 blue-eyed blond folks who you're presuming are hating the invading Russians just as they have for ages. AND for very eminently practical reasons.
And no, I have not one bit of an extremely tenuous connection here. Right.
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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 17:11:30 GMT -5
I think this is the part of the conversation where I'm supposed to go "I respect and appreciate your experiences in life but I should suggest that you not let them cloud your judgement of a seperate situation that has no connection with your life experiences. Perhaps you're allowing your personal feelings to confuse the issue." |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2005 17:16:06 GMT -5
Reasonable doubt is one thing, saying "oh he's so old and he's lived admirably since then, doesn't that stand for something?" is another.
I definitely HAVE said both....excuse me but why the fuck do you lie about not having 'noticed' something that I then have to justify myself?
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Post by shin on Aug 2, 2005 17:17:11 GMT -5
...?
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