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[RocDoc]

it wasn't my intention to goad anyone into the contemplation of reagan's decisions' impact 40 fucking years down the line into this veryvery simplistic post-mortem of, 'of COURSE he knew this is where his decisions would lead!!!'

_{...small businesses, the fountainhead of what was once our middle-class affluence.}

the 'fountainhead'?
no not hardly because their time inevitably was fading, especially if they were dealing in/selling/manufacturing GOODs.
the megabox stores were starting and the stuff they brought in was cheap and guess why? mass produced in foreign countries. from shoes to fucking hardware.
which then takes you into the next subject=>

'protectionism' in ANY degree is bad on every level? even while the rust belt jobs fled to the american south (starting in the 60s), then to the mexican north....and then fleeing to china thanks to the unions pricing their highly qualified master craftsmen out of their markets. of COURSE everyone in reagan's time were bitching to high heaven of this irreversible mass exodus, the likes of which had NEVER been seen before. 'what to do? what to DO?!"...and which we know NOW was never going to be somehow miraculously reversed.
what WAS he supposed to do?
sit on his fucking hands?
or just wave bye-bye?

and deregulation broke up huge state-sanctioned monopolies just to then have them (years later) REPLACED with OTHER huge monopolies? horrors! their efficiency of course suffered because many companies (air travel in particular) were being run on the fly (ahem) by people suddenly turned loose in a free market. kinda like obama's stimulus money for start-up businesses being bandied about to stone neophytes 'with a dream'.
bottom line, it's bad that they came under the control and are now run by the really rich, eh?

whose fault is it that 'hey you do it right, you're going to get market share and market share means profit'....

i thought philosophically and ethically ANY sort of monopoly is/was suppose to be 'wrong'. no?

that you would have liked for reagan to have been totally hands off for his years due to conflicts with your own ethics seen through the prism of 40 years having passed, a time you likely didn't live in and now show an obvious ineptitude in trying to understand. nothing was perfect, new things WERE being tried.

better still you RATHER not try to understand the times at all because then you can pass judgement far more easily with our NOW convenient hindsight.

[skvorecky]

Yeah, man, that's it. YEAAAAHHHH, man, I just don't UNDERSTAND. I didn't LIVE it, man.

To that I say this: whatever.

And to blame the Unions for companies going over to China and employing child slaves is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. It wasn't Unions but corporate profits that brought about the move for labor in China. To say that you believe in a democratic republic, like the fucking dip shit smaller government republicans do, and then buy into the human rights violations of China to reap the rewards and only get charged 2% in taxes is bullshit.

I love Republicans, thank you doc for pointing the sheer lunacy and hypocrisy of their belief system.

Limited government and small government. Right. Except when it comes to the following:

Gays marrying.
Espousing free market values and then giving out Corporate Welfare.
Anything that might get in the way of "God".
Abortions.
Polygamy.
The Patriot Act

and on, and on, and on.

Keep on listening to the Glenn Beck whistle on his train of fucking lunacy.

California Uber Alles.

Awesome, Doc. I'm sure you don't care because you're one of those Brezenski stooges that was just happy that Russia fell at any cost and damn the consequences.

I'd ask you how you sleep at night but I know the answer: Well. Because you don't care about shit. You're one of the great many Republican worshipping Yuppie pricks who has a sense of entitlement about everything as long as it's line with what you believe and doesn't deviate. Good for you. I wish I could live in a world that black and white. At least you feel good about yourself. Awesome.

[skvorecky]

Anymore mention of Ayn Rand too might make me throw up. Yeah, so free market she was on assisted living before she died.

[RocDoc]

on occasion you treat a person with an idea foreign to you fairly, skvorecky. this isn't one of those moments.

glen beck is good for a laugh in his nearly cartoon-like takes on reality...so no shithead, i'll hardly be going 'back' to listening to him 'again'.
if i've watched 10 minutes of any of his shows, that would be a high estimate.
again there you are generalizing wishful personallity projections up your own ass.
yes everyone of 'label A', is THIS way or THAT way.
the ones you call 'THEY', the furthest thing from 'us'.

_{Awesome, Doc. I'm sure you don't care because you're one of those Brezenski stooges that was just happy that Russia fell at any cost and damn the consequences.}

fuckin' A right i was overjoyed that they fell!
god DAMN, and hell YEAH!!
no shit really.
a 'brezinski stooge', no.
some methods were certainly of questionable motivations and became more far-reaching than intended.
hell yeah. obvious.
but it seemed like a far larger world then; unintended consequences happened in ALL walks of sciences and politics.

but WHAT consequences would we should have tried to avoid by HELPING them to NOT collapse?
WE, the USA, should have propped them up?!
that we'd help them to continue the shit which lenin and stalin began with lies, repression, subterfuge and mass murder?

are YOU fucking stupid?

maybe you left out some sort of qualifying phrase in that statement meant to indict ME further as the dread stereotypical 'republican scum', skvorecky, but that sentence deserves some sort of an award for ass backwards shitbrained stupidity.

[skvorecky]

RocDoc,

Am I fucking stupid? No.

Are you fucking stupid? Apparently. Apparently you can't connect the dots of invasive foreign policy that has cost the world tons of innocent lives as we funneled money to Islamic Fascists in order to defeat the Russians at any cost and the current problems around the world have been a result of that. To say that it was just a convenient blowback, a convenient collateral damage plan is gutless on a kind day and heartless on any other given day.

I'm not saying you listen to Beck, by the way. I'm saying that you're cut from the same neo-con stooge cloth that has zero idea what limited government is and is an embarrassment to anyone within the conservative movement by proposing the same government funded terror in order to achieve the "end result". The end result is usually not democratic when we put in a puppet regime. It's usually some psychopath that does our bidding and keeps the people of said country under the heel of a boot. That's not democracy. That's not even conservatism. That is pure skull-thuggery that is called what it is: Fascism.

I hate that guys like you actually parade around calling themselves a conservative. You're not. I don't know what you are but it's definitely along with the same kind of special asshole club like Kissenger, Brezenski, Reagan, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz....you know, guys that actually make the country turn and miss the fuckers like Nixon.

I am not of the opinion that we should have helped the Soviet Union collapse or prevail in any fashion or form whatsoever. I don't care about those fucktards and I've never cared about the Soviet Union. It is the business of the citizens of those countries in peril to change their regimes without foreign meddling. I wouldn't want Chinese troops deployed in America to keep the peace and ram rod the rights of the citizens who are undergoing a private matter that concerns OUR country, not that of the invading force. I like to live by the golden rule: do unto others as you would have done onto you.

So derp, derp all you want, dude.

You really should just stop going full retard sometimes, Doc.

[RocDoc]

_{And to blame the Unions for companies going over to China and employing child slaves is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. It wasn't Unions but corporate profits that brought about the move for labor in China. To say that you believe in a democratic republic, like the fucking dip shit smaller government republicans do, and then buy into the human rights violations of China to reap the rewards and only get charged 2% in taxes is bullshit.}


direct blame on our unions for the ginormous chinese behemoth?
fuck no.
but IF you understand that 'business' is NOT a social service agency but is an entity beholden to make fucking money, NOT just support itself but often to attract people with a spare shekel to invest....but just as the rust belt infrastructure got too rusty to repair in an environment where EXPENSIVELY fixing and re-tooling infrastructure was then ADDED to cost-of-living (PLUS benefits for aging workers and their fams) raises to increasingly very well looked-after union members whose demands became well, expensive to the bottom line.

the bean-counters, thinking ahead thought to just dump it all up here, lock stack and barrel....and to go where workers were younger and with no seniority complexities to worry about. mississippi, alabama were where ALL the factories that my dad would work at, went.
you SHOULD have seen the impact first hand like i did.

so whadda ya think?
once the corporate bosses saw 'HEY! we can do this!', cutting costs were all the rage...and that IS sound business practice. Q.E.D.
on to mexico....then onto to asia where a native-speaker could middleman an entire village into a corporate tentacle, a money-making one because the folks there, guess what? they didn't make shit. in terms of money.
COULD money buy them things? why yes it could.

didn't take much to make them happy.
their 'agents' however became the big shot and often siphoned every last dime they could...dimes meant for perhaps, employees safety, comfort, ergonomics.
china then just looked at their neighbors, figured out how to do it THEIR way, and off they went.

there's a few dots to connect and the unions ARE waytf down the line, but here it began.
and i wouldn't call it 'blame' but like the SSR's being 'bound to fall', outliving their usefulness, so became THOSE unions.

and i saw it happen.
and you THINK you understand it all, but i was there.

[skvorecky]

Mar 7, 2011 12:20:31 GMT -5 RocDoc said:

_{And to blame the Unions for companies going over to China and employing child slaves is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. It wasn't Unions but corporate profits that brought about the move for labor in China. To say that you believe in a democratic republic, like the fucking dip shit smaller government republicans do, and then buy into the human rights violations of China to reap the rewards and only get charged 2% in taxes is bullshit.}


direct blame on our unions for the ginormous chinese behemoth?
fuck no.
but IF you understand that 'business' is NOT a social service agency but is an entity beholden to make fucking money, NOT just support itself but often to attract people with a spare shekel to invest....but just as the rust belt infrastructure got too rusty to repair in an environment where EXPENSIVELY fixing and re-tooling infrastructure was then ADDED to cost-of-living (PLUS benefits for aging workers and their fams) raises to increasingly very well looked-after union members whose demands became well, expensive to the bottom line.

the bean-counters, thinking ahead thought to just dump it all up here, lock stack and barrel....and to go where workers were younger and with no seniority complexities to worry about. mississippi, alabama were where ALL the factories that my dad would work at, went.
you SHOULD have seen the impact first hand like i did.

so whadda ya think?
once the corporate bosses saw 'HEY! we can do this!', cutting costs were all the rage...and that IS sound business practice. Q.E.D.
on to mexico....then onto to asia where a native-speaker could middleman an entire village into a corporate tentacle, a money-making one because the folks there, guess what? they didn't make shit. in terms of money.
COULD money buy them things? why yes it could.

didn't take much to make them happy.
their 'agents' however became the big shot and often siphoned every last dime they could...dimes meant for perhaps, employees safety, comfort, ergonomics.
china then just looked at their neighbors, figured out how to do it THEIR way, and off they went.

there's a few dots to connect and the unions ARE waytf down the line, but here it began.
and i wouldn't call it 'blame' but like the SSR's being 'bound to fall', outliving their usefulness, so became THOSE unions.

and i saw it happen.
and you THINK you understand it all, but i was there.

I understand that this response says two things to me: That you fully endorse child and slave labor. That you fully endorse regulatory practices that benefit corporations.

[skvorecky]

Mar 7, 2011 12:20:31 GMT -5 RocDoc said:

_{And to blame the Unions for companies going over to China and employing child slaves is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. It wasn't Unions but corporate profits that brought about the move for labor in China. To say that you believe in a democratic republic, like the fucking dip shit smaller government republicans do, and then buy into the human rights violations of China to reap the rewards and only get charged 2% in taxes is bullshit.}


direct blame on our unions for the ginormous chinese behemoth?
fuck no.
but IF you understand that 'business' is NOT a social service agency but is an entity beholden to make fucking money, NOT just support itself but often to attract people with a spare shekel to invest....but just as the rust belt infrastructure got too rusty to repair in an environment where EXPENSIVELY fixing and re-tooling infrastructure was then ADDED to cost-of-living (PLUS benefits for aging workers and their fams) raises to increasingly very well looked-after union members whose demands became well, expensive to the bottom line.

the bean-counters, thinking ahead thought to just dump it all up here, lock stack and barrel....and to go where workers were younger and with no seniority complexities to worry about. mississippi, alabama were where ALL the factories that my dad would work at, went.
you SHOULD have seen the impact first hand like i did.

so whadda ya think?
once the corporate bosses saw 'HEY! we can do this!', cutting costs were all the rage...and that IS sound business practice. Q.E.D.
on to mexico....then onto to asia where a native-speaker could middleman an entire village into a corporate tentacle, a money-making one because the folks there, guess what? they didn't make shit. in terms of money.
COULD money buy them things? why yes it could.

didn't take much to make them happy.
their 'agents' however became the big shot and often siphoned every last dime they could...dimes meant for perhaps, employees safety, comfort, ergonomics.
china then just looked at their neighbors, figured out how to do it THEIR way, and off they went.

there's a few dots to connect and the unions ARE waytf down the line, but here it began.
and i wouldn't call it 'blame' but like the SSR's being 'bound to fall', outliving their usefulness, so became THOSE unions.

and i saw it happen.
and you THINK you understand it all, but i was there.

Also, we had a capital gains tax of 92% under Eisenhauer and yet we were still able to create American jobs and engage with the rest of the world. Under Nixon it was raised to 72% from Johnson's 62% and yet we were able to hold trade agreements with Japan, China, and the Soviet Union and create American jobs. We did it again in the 90s under Clinton.

Of course business isn't a social service. Sounds like you might still need to take a couple of business courses though and turn the Clark Howard show off.

[RocDoc]

for YOU to go on like this DOES make you stupid.

wheretf do you think i can't 'connect the dots' to afghanistan fucking us in the ass at a later date??!

yes you and only you have a lock on this wisdom you arrogant piece of shit skvor.

while you trot out your beating heart ACHING about how no fucking conservative sees what YOU see.
damn what an asshole.

[RocDoc]

gee, thanks for the words and figures straight out of you texts.
it doesn't relate.

_{Of course business isn't a social service. Sounds like you might still need to take a couple of business courses though and turn the Clark Howard show off.}

overschooled and underlived skvor.
who's clark howard?
another glen beck you're NOT accusing me as being a (gah!) vapid listener of?

lord you're so hurtful.
naw, you're simply a prick is all.

[skvorecky]

Mar 7, 2011 12:28:31 GMT -5 RocDoc said:

for YOU to go on like this DOES make you stupid.

wheretf do you think i can't 'connect the dots' to afghanistan fucking us in the ass at a later date??!

yes you and only you have a lock on this wisdom you arrogant piece of shit skvor.

while you trot out your beating heart ACHING about how no fucking conservative sees what YOU see.
damn what an asshole.

Full derp in full effect.

[skvorecky]

Mar 7, 2011 12:32:13 GMT -5 RocDoc said:

gee, thanks for the words and figures straight out of you texts.
it doesn't relate.

_{Of course business isn't a social service. Sounds like you might still need to take a couple of business courses though and turn the Clark Howard show off.}

overschooled and underlived skvor.
who's clark howard?
another glen beck you're NOT accusing me as being a (gah!) vapid listener of?

lord you're so hurtful.
naw, you're simply a prick is all.

No, I'm just saying I think you're just as full of hot air as you accuse me of being.

[skvorecky]

[RocDoc]

is derp another one of those illiterate shitheaded words like 'shizzle' and 'dope' which an entire self-anointed subculture thinks they've so cleverly subverted to their (sssssh!) _{'secret language'}?

_{'oooh look! we'll make it mean the OPPOSITE of what the straights use it for.'}

you're cool already skv. don't stoop to that.

[RocDoc]

interesting vernacular for the college-educated too.
and i honestly don't go for casual (and it's usually pre-adolescent) use of the word 'retard' at all anymore.
where you're from it's all like totally ok?
especially for a 30 something grown man?
here, there's a too many unfortunates labelled that.
i've got friends having kids with those sorts of problems.
my parents had kids who were 'not normal'; i grew up with them as friends.
made obvious to me how lucky i was.
i do not EVER want my kid repeating it as a hurtful slur to someone who never asked for that shit.

...you can see that it's just like the 'n-word' or 'oh that's so gay', can ya?