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Post by Mary on Sept 29, 2005 20:07:31 GMT -5
Umm... Melon... before you go off on yet another rant about the evil leftists and their spiritual bankruptcy, you might want to make sure that the particular issue you're using as an example actually demonstrates your point. It's just plain wrong to think that the issue of censorship of pornography is a left/right issue, with leftists defending "filth" and conservatives defending "decency". Pornography is actually one of the issues that splits the left apart. Many antipornography ordinances have actually been drafted by hard-left feminists. There is a raging debate on the left about whether or not, or to what degree, pornography harms women. Probably the most notorious and outspoken defender of antiporn laws in America is Catherine Mackinnon, an extreme leftist.
Anyway, here's an honest question: what precisely is the terrible impact which you are afraid that pornography will have on a child? Let's say an 8 year old somehow gets a hold of Penthouse and flips through it. What's going to happen to him?
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As for the communism/fascism thing - I did post a long post about the differences between communism and fascism on the Theory Nerds board maybe a couple of months ago. I would direct you over there, because I would definitely insist that communism and fascism are distinct things.... but there's no point in repeating myself!
strat-o, woops, I didn't even notice the "US" in the poll!!! Well I might even be a 1 by US standards...
Cheers,
M
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Post by kmc on Sept 29, 2005 20:31:36 GMT -5
Sex is dirty.
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Post by Kensterberg on Sept 29, 2005 20:34:13 GMT -5
Only if you're doing it right. |
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Post by Dr. Drum on Sept 29, 2005 20:38:59 GMT -5
US scale? Geez, on a US scale the NDP might as well be the Shining Path.  Seriously though, I did a bit of both, too, but my answer was more more weighted to the Canadian situation. Seemed like the best way to be at all accurate about this... *** Here's another quiz for anyone who's interested. If memory serves, I think we might actually have discussed this one at one point over on the old RS.com. www.politicalcompass.org/My score tonight: -5.25 on the economic Left/Right axis and -6.51 on the social Libertarian/Authoritarian axis. |
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Post by kmc on Sept 29, 2005 20:47:55 GMT -5
I figure that if I had to gauge myself, I'd be liberal on most economic and social facets, especially by American standards. I don't know where that fits in that scale from one to ten. Of course, I can't say I am liberal on everything, just as I'd be appalled if someone were dead conservative on all issues.
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Post by Kensterberg on Sept 29, 2005 20:53:50 GMT -5
Very cool political quiz, Drum. I must be feeling particularly, erm, leftist this week: Economic = -8.50 Social = -8.62 This puts me damn near the farthest "southwest" corner of the graph. I guess I'm more leftist than Nelson Mandela, and more libertarian than the Dalai Lama. I've got that quadrant all too myself ... at least until Mary takes this quiz.  |
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Post by phil on Sept 29, 2005 21:12:27 GMT -5
Economic... -6.88
Social... -5.54
Drum and I would complement each others perfectly !!
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Post by phil on Sept 29, 2005 21:14:49 GMT -5
I just hope Melon doesn't have children ... !!
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Post by rockysigman on Sept 29, 2005 21:18:25 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
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Post by maarts on Sept 29, 2005 21:37:37 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
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Post by Rit on Sept 29, 2005 21:49:35 GMT -5
Melon, you're going off the deep end. Your post sounded like hysterics to me. Where's that righteous anger coming from? You wish to... what? Save humanity from itself?
Not only is that not possible, it's almost an infantile, insular type of thinking.
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Post by phil on Sept 29, 2005 22:30:49 GMT -5
Geez... Maarts !! With those scores
you're flirting with conservatism here... ;D
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Post by maarts on Sept 29, 2005 22:45:57 GMT -5
That's what I said earlier too, Phil and I'm not really surprised I'm so close to the centre. Guess I see the benefits on a lot of the machinery that keeps societies alive as well as being conscientiously aware of our plight to help the socially disadvantaged. Perhaps I'm a capitalist with a conscience...
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Post by Mary on Sept 29, 2005 23:38:42 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -7.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85 Sorry Ken - but you're apparently the resident commie - you even beat me!!!  Of course, there were a couple of random questions that I didn't really know how to answer. I would have liked a "no opinion" or "unsure" button or something.... ....but still, i'm just amused that ken is a bigger commie than i am. just wait till skvor takes the test.... Cheers, M |
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Post by shin on Sept 30, 2005 0:32:00 GMT -5
Funny that people will shamelessly cuddle up to 1 but no one dares even show a hint that they are near 10. Cuz anyone who has studied the two subject knows, unless they are completely blinded by their ideology, that Communism and Fascism are, in a sense, the same damn thing. Probably thinking I'm the one that picked #8. Actually I wish I knew who did. I picked 7, being that I wanted to be as far away from fascist as possible but believe strongly that what the "mainstream" considers "moderate" at the moment is much more left than it is right. Everything moved over one notch. What was conservative yesteryear is now considered "Fascist". What was Moderate yesteryear is now considered "Conservative". What was "Liberal" yesteryear is now considered "Moderate", and, finally, what was downright Communist yesteryear is now considered "Liberal". Therefore, if I don't believe that the original intent of the 1st Amendment was to protect graphic pornography you would call me a.......hmmmm. If I considered, even considered looking into a study of whether censorship is necessary and healthy for a democracy, there comes the "Fascist" brand again, even though nobody on the right that I can think of recently has even vaguely suggested that we should censor ideas. Just a handful have been brave enough in a depraved society to say that we should actually censor pornographic acts in magazines or videos, or censor movies that are mere rhapsodies to violence, or censor some the more obscene lyrics in some rap music. And why would they attempt to do such a thing? For the children! If one child gets a hold of Grand Theft Auto or Hustler magazine or Tupac Shakur, it would be better that none of it existed. Then people will say,"Where do you draw the line?" And also would so nonchalantly draw the conclusion that since there's some difficulty on where to draw the line, we just shouldn't draw one at all. How stupid and most of all, how uncaring. The left doesn't give a damn about the innocense of children. They want to feed them, sure, but when it comes to spiritualityl, nah. "The government should stay out of all that." Because, get this, if the government makes a decision that appears that it has some moral background, that appears in any way that it judges for itself for something to actually be "obscene" or "degrading" then they have overstepped their bounds. But when it comes to making sure children have a good education, or enough food to eat, hell, that's all that matters. We should stop there and allow them to fill their minds with absolute filth and live in a moral trash can all of their lives because it's simply not the government's, or anybody's, place to tell these people that they don't have a "Right" to enjoy their depravity, and not only enjoy it but out loud from their car stereo for every child to hear at every red light. Should there be any limits to how vulgar the lyrics blasting into your children's ears can get? Why HELL NO!!! That's gonna lead us down the road to FASCISM! RUN, RUN from FASCISM. IT'S COMING AFTER US. Hell, somebody wants to protect children's ears and eyes. Horror of horrors!! - Marilyn Manson in the weeks before the 2000 election You're a lot like the guy who comes into class when he hasn't read a single thing for homework, then proceeds to talk in class like he's been paying attention this whole time. Except he then proceeds to completely embarrass himself by exposing his ignorance about the subject matter, rather than masking it. Congratulations, though. You've just revealed your intention to vote for Hillary "Ban the Sex In Grand Theft Auto" Clinton instead of John "I Star In Wedding Crashers and Attend MTV Awards Shows While Enjoying the Nine Inch Nails Performance" McCain in 2008. You must feel very proud of yourself that after all these years of calling her "HITLERY" you'll ultimately end up voting for Hitler herself. |
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Seriously though, I did a bit of both, too, but my answer was more more weighted to the Canadian situation. Seemed like the best way to be at all accurate about this... 
