CE Posters: Where are you politically?

[Rit]

And then there's Rit. Despite what it may appear to you, and I certainly wasn't aware that I came across as someone on a mission to save the world. The Titanic is sinking. It's a done deal. This world is passing away. I have no hope in the USA, or any political kingdom for that matter. If my treasures were on this earth, I'd be one terrified dude. From time to time, I like to eavesdrop on the wisdom of this world which is so futile before a perfect God. Humanity cannot be saved because it will not be saved. This is something I have come to accept. It just boggles my mind that a scholar or a rocket scientist can miss what a child can see: the reality of God. In a sense, I've given up. Not in the bad kind of way but in the right way. I've given up on believing that everyone can be reasoned with. I've come to accept that some people are so spiritually blind that you can raise the dead, make the lame walk, make the blind see etc. etc and they still won't believe.

Melon, if you could raise the dead, make the lame walk, and make the blind see, etc, i think you'd attract all sorts of interest, nevermind mere belief. hey, i'm theologically versed, as it were, so you can't pull your bullshit on me. when you talk of belief in a spiritual kingdom and dismiss the political kingdom, you only display your own acute paranoid personality.

The Spiritual, the Political, and the Social are all equal parts of a person, each with its own set of metaphors and archetypes. Those three categories were, in essence, early attempts at human psychology, quite inventive and filled with ambiguity, so much so that it affords everyone ample private space to simply be themselves without needing to define themselves to the degree that a modern Freudian or something would prefer, he with his extreme tendency to classification.

to elevate the Spiritual over the rest is a kind of madness, a hubris and paranoia taken to unhealthly limits (and beyond), because the intricate balance of a well-rounded personality is missed entirely. In my opinion, everyone's sense of the Divine is really an archetypal shadowy figure swinging from tree to tree at the back of their minds... don't pervert the universal laws by elevating such a potential demonic figure to the level of purist theoretical "Holiness". You will only succeed in warping all the rest of life into an irrational stormcloud as a result.

.. but that's just my opinion. Do as you will, but have a heart. Genuinely have a heart, and back away from the edges of theological madness.

[Mary]

Hey, on some level I agree with melon the the world is basically depraved and beyond redemption. Not sure if I'd have used the word depraved, as that's loaded with a kind of moralism that I reject - I'm not so concerned with 'sins of the flesh' and all that. But in my idiosyncratic way, I do believe in a kind of inconquerable depravity. Alas, I don't have his corresponding faith in any kind of otherworldly redemption either, so this makes me a cynic rather than a religious fanatic. But there's a reason why I always identified with something in augustine and pascal and luther...

As for the highly dubious suggestion that most strippers and porn stars are Democrats, I'm not really sure how to go about studying this, but I find it pretty hard to believe and totally unrevealing at the same time if it is true. I suspect most KKK members, to the extent they belong to either political party, are Republicans. So are most white collar criminals, probably. Does this mean that the Republicans are the party of the Ku Klux Klan and white collar crime?

The reason I find the claim itself dubious is because it comes from an awfully blinkered view of partisan affiliations. Not all Republicans are of the religious conservative variety. Consider, for example, the stereotypical 'frat boy' - he's no liberal, but he's a prime demographic target for strippers, porn, and coke.

Meanwhile, as I suggested before, there's conservative moralism and there's liberal moralism. Antiporn feminists are every bit as hostile to porn and strip clubs as the Jerry Falwells of the world. They come from a different standpoint, obviously, and have different reasons for their opposition, but it only goes to show how narrow melon's view of the world is that he thinks views of the sex industry can be easily mapped onto clear partisan affiliations.

M

[shin]

But...but...liberals hate America?

[melon1]

I said to shin:

Go to a stripclub and see if you can find a conservative stripper. I betcha can find an article about one that you can post right after this but

And shins response?

Here's a conservative stripper/porn star, Melon. She's quite high profile, and she's a guest to a Republican fundraiser of all things. Is this the sort of message you want Bush giving to little girls? Become a porn star and you too can become a Republican candidate and a good American?

worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44671

Well, la-di-frickin'-da! I guess it's safe to say I prophesied that one.

Are you kidding me? Your life was ruined because you saw a Playboy magazine, one of the most tame pornographic magazines there is? Thank god you didn't see a Hustler. Thank god you didn't see a Butt Slutts 9 video. Thank god you didn't walk in on your parents. Thank god you didn't walk in on your grandparents. Thank god you didn't walk in on your grandparents and your parents. Thank god you didn't walk in on your grandparents and your parents and a Shetland pony.

But no, somehow Playboy magazine, which shows nothing but tits, something an 8 year old is not that far removed from being accustomed to see, has scarred you into becoming the closet S&M deviant you are today.



Never said my life was "ruined" or even meant to imply such a thing. I AM thankful it was only a Playboy and not a Hustler. Read the rest of what you wrote again(right above this) a realize how low you've sunk. You're a piece of shit.

You are who you are, and you can spend your life blaming the "left" for your own sins

Okey dokey, I'll just wait here for you to give a single example of where I've ever done this once!

The next post is for Mantis. Don't worry, it won't be hostile like this one. I reserve my hostility for the likes of shin, who can somehow live with himself after that last post.

*Special Note*

Chrisfan has already shared her disdain for uncivil posts chock full of insults and I respect her, but shin has gone over the line here and you probably ignored where he did that. I do not wish, nor do I intend to turn this board or any other CE board into another SheRocks/bodygirl catastrophe. I'm sure strat-o wouldn't stand for it anyway. Perhaps the right thing to do, even though I'm determined not to erase any of this post, is to extend a handshake to shin despite our extreme differences or either stop conversing with him altogether.

[luke]

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

Took that first quiz and was called a "Democrat." Think I question these things...

[luke]

Guess I'm totally fucked...



Didn't take long for the corruption to sink in!

[melon1]

Mantis,

I'm not going to pretend for a second that the Right doesn't have its share of amoral supporters. But you didn't win me over with your few examples there to where I would even consider that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils. Mary says she doesn't know how to go about doing a study on which Party is affiliated with the most vices. Ya know, if there IS a study done that shows that 80% of drug use is done by self proclaimed "liberals" and/or anti-Republicans, it would be obvious that a part of the other 20% (there would always be a few percentage points going to the group there that just doesn't care enough to think about it or is so apathetic that they don't even know what a Republican or a Democrat is) would be politically right-wing and yes, I'll admit that some of their vices would be even worse. My beef is that they are fewer and further between on the right. OF COURSE I don't believe that ALL Republicans are Christian conservatives and am quite disappointed that I would come across as THAT isolated and shallow. The Misfits and The Ramones are Republican. How many more can you name? Perhaps there are more, but if anyone thinks that almost half of rock bands, celebrities etc. are Republicans then I don't believe that I'm the one that has "delusions of grandeur," as shin put it.

[phil]

ROTFLMAO at the first picture... !

This is way too funny !!

[melon1]

The Spiritual, the Political, and the Social are all equal parts of a person, each with its own set of metaphors and archetypes. Those three categories were, in essence, early attempts at human psychology, quite inventive and filled with ambiguity, so much so that it affords everyone ample private space to simply be themselves without needing to define themselves to the degree that a modern Freudian or something would prefer, he with his extreme tendency to classification.

to elevate the Spiritual over the rest is a kind of madness, a hubris and paranoia taken to unhealthly limits (and beyond), because the intricate balance of a well-rounded personality is missed entirely. In my opinion, everyone's sense of the Divine is really an archetypal shadowy figure swinging from tree to tree at the back of their minds... don't pervert the universal laws by elevating such a potential demonic figure to the level of purist theoretical "Holiness". You will only succeed in warping all the rest of life into an irrational stormcloud as a result.


Rit,

Believe it or not, I try to avoid to the best of my ability religiosity and embrace spirituality. Of course yours and my political beliefs tie in with our spirituality and are an important part of our moral test. I do not consider my spiritual life to be altogether separated from my social foreign policy or my political affiliation. In fact, I consider the Christian life to consist of doing my part to make a Christian society a reality on this earth. The dilemma at hand, which I must accept or be terribly upset, is that I will only be used to save a few or at best still a few when considering how broad the way is that leads to destruction and how many will enter therein. I can weep over lost souls, and there's nothing wrong with that. But if I lose my joy over the whole thing, everything is out of perspective. I must accept that this world is passing away along with the majority of people to everlasting misery without letting it turn me into a depressed person. Jesus Christ endured the cross "because of the glory set before him." How else am I going to endure this "dense darkness" that covers the earth. By living out of the kingdom that is not of this earth, by looking to a kingdom that is not seen with physical eyes, by storing up treasures in heaven where the thief doesn't break in and steal and it does not rust. Hear me when I say that that does not separate me from social responsibility. The old saying "too heavenly minded to be any earthly good" is something that I hold before my mind quite often. But perspective is the key to success for me. "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." If your treasures are on this earth, I feel sorry for you.

[phil]

"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
If your treasures are on this earth, I feel sorry for you.

HÉ Mister Doom 'n' Gloom,
You really do need to throw away your dense dark glasses...

Oh ! BTW, I'd like to introduce you
to my "treasures on this earth"... !!

[melon1]

I suspect most KKK members, to the extent they belong to either political party, are Republicans.

Whadayaknow? So do I and I also suspect that they are about extinct and I live in Alabama. Meanwhile, we're not running out of strippers and porn stars, now are we? I won't hesitate to say that I believe there are more of those every day.

Antiporn feminists are every bit as hostile to porn and strip clubs as the Jerry Falwells of the world.

I don't doubt it a bit, but they are also much harder to find, if you mean by Jerry Falwell someone who is proud to be an evangelical born-again Christian.

it only goes to show how narrow melon's view of the world is that he thinks views of the sex industry can be easily mapped onto clear partisan affiliations.

I can't help but laugh when I read this. My only point from the getgo is that it is common knowledge, meaning NOT the knowledge of wishful thinkers, that the vast majority of the smut industry is diametrically apposed if not hostile to conservative beliefs and values. Dems can pontificate all they want to about how they're the true conservatives and they'll get nothing but giggles from me. Pro-abortion-rights is not conservatism. Gay marriage is not conservatism. And although I was afraid that I would bring up homosexuality again, I realize that I can't leave it out of the equation. Common knowledge and conscience, not ignorance, considered homosexuality an abominable sin for centuries in most cultures. But as we get lazier and lazier and more and more apathetic, and give more and more leeway to things such as pornography, to make one example, homosexuality begins to appear more and more worthy of our respect rather than our disdain. It's all part of the downward spiral of society. Mary, there's really no need to go over it all again. You already did on the RS boards. I know, I know, the acceptance of the gay lifestyle need not be connected with the overall disentigration of morality in society. I'm sorry and I really don't want to be rude to you. I like you as a person, but that sounds like something the devil would try to convince me of.

[melon1]

Here's some doom and gloom for you:

"Eye has not seen, nor ear has heard, nor has it even entered into the heart of man what God has prepared for those who love Him."

[phil]

You might be in for a nasty surprise then !!

[luke]

I think its laughable to think that most strippers or porn stars have a "political affiliation" or "opinions on the issues." Same with the majority of those who run said industry. They're not into left/right or right/wrong...all they care about is where their next dollar is going to come from. The sex industry isn't Republican or Democrat...it's Capitalist. They're going to leech onto whoever is more accepting of their fashion of getting richer, faster. If that means liberals striking down the Communications Decency Act, then hell yeah. If that means Republicans providing tax cuts for the rich, then that rocks, too.

So yeah, you can argue that those people are a product of our depraved planet, and you can argue as to which side of the fence made the world so "depraved." But to actually tack specific political agenda on a bunch of blood hungry capitalists like those who run the sex industry is ludicrous.

[Kensterberg]

luke said:

I think its laughable to think that most strippers or porn stars have a "political affiliation" or "opinions on the issues." Same with the majority of those who run said industry. They're not into left/right or right/wrong...all they care about is where their next dollar is going to come from. The sex industry isn't Republican or Democrat...it's Capitalist. They're going to leech onto whoever is more accepting of their fashion of getting richer, faster. If that means liberals striking down the Communications Decency Act, then hell yeah. If that means Republicans providing tax cuts for the rich, then that rocks, too.

So yeah, you can argue that those people are a product of our depraved planet, and you can argue as to which side of the fence made the world so "depraved." But to actually tack specific political agenda on a bunch of blood hungry capitalists like those who run the sex industry is ludicrous.

Count me in with Luke here. Excellent points, these guys are really just in it for the money, and they'll make whatever strategic alliances they need in order to maximize how much they make, and how much they can keep.