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Post by sisyphus on Jun 22, 2006 21:48:49 GMT -5
PEW, Mary did NOT say that she thinks "captialism is necessary and unjust." she used the word necessary as an adverb, not an adjective. she said "capitalism is necessarily and fundamentally unjust." there's just ONE of many examples of your lack of reading comprehension. consider it. work on it.
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 21:50:30 GMT -5
Liberal and Democrat are two different beasts... Democrat is just a political PARTY... someone hand me my Jack & Coke.
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Post by sisyphus on Jun 22, 2006 21:50:36 GMT -5
oops, sorry. it seems the last few posts happened at the same time.
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 22, 2006 21:51:50 GMT -5
PEW, Mary did NOT say that she thinks "captialism is necessary and unjust." she used the word necessary as an adverb, not an adjective. she said "capitalism is necessarily and fundamentally unjust." there's just ONE of many examples of your lack of reading comprehension. consider it. work on it. Thanks for that constructive criticism. Huh? I never said anything about whether capitalism was "necessary" or "unnecessary". I said it was necessarily unjust. Once again your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Your exact words were: " My perspective is that capitalism is necessarily and fundamentally unjust." You are right, I misread it. it's late, I have a 6 month old baby who had a bad reaction to something I fed him today, I'm posting inbetween breaks from working out and your posts are too wordy... |
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Post by Mary on Jun 22, 2006 21:54:00 GMT -5
mary said: My perspective is that capitalism is necessarily and fundamentally unjust. i think i agree with this, but i'm a little wishy washy on the matter... i'm inclined to say that capitalism, especially on the corporate level, is wrong, but that on a local scale would be more acceptable. Mary, in your opinion, what would be the basis for a more ideal system? Maybe we could start a new thread entitled "ideal government/economic system" or something... Ick.... rather than trying to spell out all my incredibly convoluted and confused thoughts on this subject... I'll just say, I one tried to post something explaining my economic beliefs on the Theory Nerds thread in CE. Its reply #79, p. 6, I think.... (I just looked it up, but then promptly forgot what I looked up as soon as I got back here, providing yet further evidence that I need to stop smoking weed) I don't know if I can really answer the question about the basis for a more ideal system, because I'm not sure if I believe in constructing abstract "systems" or utopias.... pew is actually right about one thing, albeit in a misleading way. I am a political pessimist, in the sense that I don't necessarily believe there are viable alternatives to a lot of the injustices in the world today, nor do I feel comfortable prescribing them. |
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 21:56:08 GMT -5
Just the way it is...
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Post by Mary on Jun 22, 2006 21:58:12 GMT -5
I have no idea if sisyphus really identifies as a Democrat though. There's obviously a difference between voting Democratic when your back is against the wall (which I do, myself) and believing in the Democratic Party platform.
The Democratic Party platform embraces capitalism as its economic model. I don't. I would call that an enormous philosophical disagreement. Surely you are not trying to tell me that the American Democratic Party is basically indistinguishable from socialism. That would be plainly preposterous.
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Post by sisyphus on Jun 22, 2006 21:59:04 GMT -5
i can respect that. it's not that i'm asking you to "prescribe" such alternatives, though... just curious about what ideas about alternatives you might have about the matter... or what sort of limits should be placed on capitalism within our own government.. i'll check out your theory nerds post.
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 22:00:23 GMT -5
perdoname... i'm really fucking drunk.
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Post by sisyphus on Jun 22, 2006 22:01:46 GMT -5
I have no idea if sisyphus really identifies as a Democrat though. There's obviously a difference between voting Democratic when your back is against the wall (which I do, myself) and believing in the Democratic Party platform. The Democratic Party platform embraces capitalism as its economic model. I don't. I would call that an enormous philosophical disagreement. Surely you are not trying to tell me that the American Democratic Party is basically indistinguishable from socialism. That would be plainly preposterous. to answer: no. i don't identify as a democrat. for the last two presidential elections, i've participated in the vote swap. because a democratic vote would do no good here in utah, i've voted for Nader both years in exchange for democratic votes in swing states. as for local elections, i vote independently. i bring a cheat sheet into the booth. |
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Post by sisyphus on Jun 22, 2006 22:02:47 GMT -5
matheus, i'll be joining you in that state in a few hours...
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 22, 2006 22:02:56 GMT -5
I have no idea if sisyphus really identifies as a Democrat though. There's obviously a difference between voting Democratic when your back is against the wall (which I do, myself) and believing in the Democratic Party platform. The Democratic Party platform embraces capitalism as its economic model. I don't. I would call that an enormous philosophical disagreement. Surely you are not trying to tell me that the American Democratic Party is basically indistinguishable from socialism. That would be plainly preposterous. Well then, I guess its better to say that you are a Liberal, instead of saying you are a liberal democrat, no? So as far as liberals go, is there anything about the liberal ideology that you disagree with, of do you take their positon on every issue? |
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 22:05:01 GMT -5
labels are stupid.
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 22:06:37 GMT -5
I have no idea if sisyphus really identifies as a Democrat though. There's obviously a difference between voting Democratic when your back is against the wall (which I do, myself) and believing in the Democratic Party platform. The Democratic Party platform embraces capitalism as its economic model. I don't. I would call that an enormous philosophical disagreement. Surely you are not trying to tell me that the American Democratic Party is basically indistinguishable from socialism. That would be plainly preposterous. to answer: no. i don't identify as a democrat. for the last two presidential elections, i've participated in the vote swap. because a democratic vote would do no good here in utah, i've voted for Nader both years in exchange for democratic votes in swing states. as for local elections, i vote independently. i bring a cheat sheet into the booth. Don't feel too bad, I wanted to vote for the Green Party candidate, but alas, they weren't on the ballot. LMFAO... Democracy my ass. |
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Post by Matheus on Jun 22, 2006 22:08:07 GMT -5
With both democracy and capitalism come extreme responsibility... and you don't even want to know how hard it was to write that sentence without typos...
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