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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 1, 2004 13:04:50 GMT -5
It's funny Tunes, I have the same critical blind spot for Joy Division. I just don't like 'em that much (aside from Love Will Tear Us Apart (again) which is as great as it's made out to be). And aside from PCL, New Order's next best record IMO is their last one, Get Ready. I like almost all of the follow-up to PCL (Low Life), but aside from those three, there isn't a single New Order album that I really care for. But PCL is just amazing ... if you should be lucky enough to see it used, by all means snap it up! I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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Post by tuneschick on Jun 1, 2004 13:11:33 GMT -5
Sometimes I just think I'm not in a "Joy Division kind of place" in my life - but then I realize that's not the case because no matter the circumstances in my life - happy, angry, depressed or otherwise - I've just never been that attracted to them. (Except, as you mentioned, the stellar Love Will Tear Us Apart (Again), which is the whole reason I wanted to check them out in the first place.)
(of course, maybe I'm just hopeless - seeing as how I've had no luck getting overly interested in VU either to this point...)
But I did have some interest in New Order (at least the best of, and other assorted tracks I had played for me by a huge New Order fan-slash-friend of mine in high school and college) so I'll watch for this.
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Post by Rit on Jun 1, 2004 13:19:41 GMT -5
i've never heard of this critical blindspot business..
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 1, 2004 13:30:38 GMT -5
A critical blindspot is where someone who has pretty decent taste in music, understands what's good/bad and why, simply cannot see the appeal of an artist that other folks with similarly good taste praise. Everyone has one somewhere (even Dr. Drum). For example, I know in my head that Jimi Hendrix is one of the all-time great rockers, but he just doesn't have any emotional connection with me. None. Zip. Aside from cranking up Purple Haze when it comes on the classic radio station, I just have no reaction to Hendrix. Now I can jam along to Stevie Ray Vaughan playing Hendrix covers for a week, and love 'em all, but the man himself just has no effect on me. That's a critical blind spot. You may intellectually know they're a fine band, but emotionally they leave you cold. You're blind to their appeal.
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Post by Rit on Jun 1, 2004 13:33:41 GMT -5
ho hey, just like me and Abba then? ;D
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Post by lunatic96 on Jun 1, 2004 13:36:03 GMT -5
2. I don't know why I feel so tongue tied
It's either Cuttooth or Myxamatosis. Both by Radiohead.
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jun 1, 2004 14:10:32 GMT -5
Even Dr. Drum? Hey, how’d I get caught up in this??
Oh, I’ve definitely got critical blind spots, Ken. I’ve mentioned this before, but Springsteen, for example. Slot the Boss into your post in place of Hendrix and you’ve just about described my response to him perfectly. Plenty of respect but for him there’s almost no emotional connection there for me whatsoever. So yeah, sure, we've all got 'em.
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Post by Mary on Jun 1, 2004 14:18:39 GMT -5
I dunno Tunes, anyone who gets LITA FORD soooo does not suck at this!!  And the fact that you were listening to that song.... man, I so wanna raid your CD/record collection! I agree with everything Ken said about Power, Corruption, and Lies, and I'm a bit shocked that mr. lookslikeme failed to get the New Order lyric. Of course I do adore Joy Division as well and can't imagine not connecting with them. I hope that doesn't mean I'm in a "Joy Division part of my life" though, because that would mean that I'm like, suicidally depressed and lonely, wouldn't it?? Critical blind spots for me: The Pixies, and the band I'm listening to right now..... R.E.M. I just don't get it. NP: R.E.M. - Murmur (song: Pilgrimage) Cheers, M |
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Post by tuneschick on Jun 1, 2004 14:39:21 GMT -5
I dunno Tunes, anyone who gets LITA FORD soooo does not suck at this!! And the fact that you were listening to that song.... man, I so wanna raid your CD/record collection! Yeah, I was in a bit of a badass mood this morning that didn't quite fit the clean-cut look I'm sporting to work today... so I brought some Lita and Joan Jett along with me to work to make me feel better.  And good point about the suicidally depressed thing - I guess I've never been THAT much in a "Joy Division part of my life"... but I DID spend a year or so being pretty lonely and depressed in my later teens, and still couldn't get into Joy Division, so go figure. I'm not sure who else would fit into my "critical blind spot" category - Radiohead certainly, but can't think of others off the top of my head. |
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Post by Rit on Jun 1, 2004 14:45:56 GMT -5
wait wait. Joy Division isnt necessarily for people who are in a "depressed and lonely" phase of life. it abot de muszic, mon.
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Post by Mary on Jun 1, 2004 14:54:10 GMT -5
wait wait. Joy Division isnt necessarily for people who are in a "depressed and lonely" phase of life. it abot de muszic, mon. of course..... i was mostly just joking... as everyone here knows, i simply adore music that elegantly captures sadness, but it doesn't mean that i'm sad myself! same for movies, books, paintings, whatever... hell, i even once posted a ridiculously long analysis of why classic actresses from the 20s, 30s, and 40s were far more striking than most of today's beauties, and it was based entirely on the fact that people like louise brooks, greta garbo, and rita hayworth all had a kind of sadness about them that gave their faces profundity. so what can i say, i'm just a sad culture maven!! doesn't mean i don't like rockin' out to miss lita ford though!!! ok i'd just like to stress my complete and utter r.e.m. blind spot as Murmur is now winding down. This album is considered one of the greatet debuts of all time?! Total mystery to me. It sounds so unremarkable. NP: R.E.M. - Murmur (song: West of the Fields) Cheers, M |
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Post by Rit on Jun 1, 2004 14:56:22 GMT -5
i agree, Mary, i have Murmer and i think it's totally lifeless everytime i listen to it. as a result, i've made sure that it remains the only REM album i own.
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 1, 2004 14:56:48 GMT -5
I'm not completely wild about the Pixies myself, and aside from that one great single (how can anyone not love a song named Kiss Me Deadly?) I don't need to hear any Lita Ford for that matter! Glad to see that you're still at least trying to listen to R.E.M., Mary (though I suspect that this is part of the alphabetical project rather than simply a "I really need to give Murmer another shot b/c it's one of the ten best debuts in all of rock and I really should love it" moment). Thinking about it ... I've got more than a couple of "critical blind spots" ... Led Zep, Joy Division, Hendrix, Nick Cave ... those are the biggies that hit me right now. But I can conclusively say that not everyone who goes through a suicidally depressed phase in their life becomes a JD fan ... I'm living proof that severe depression and Joy Division are not necessarily linked together.  NP: Blondie, Dreamin' (god I love this song) |
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Post by tuneschick on Jun 1, 2004 14:58:22 GMT -5
wait wait. Joy Division isnt necessarily for people who are in a "depressed and lonely" phase of life. it abot de muszic, mon. Oh, I know this too... I didn't mean to insinuate that only lonely and depressed people "get" Joy Division. My point (made clearer in an earlier post, I think) was that regardless of how I've felt in various spots in my life - happy or depressed or whatever - I haven't been able to get Joy Division. But when I DID go through some lonely, depressing times, I thought I might have a better chance at getting into them... since when I'm sad/depressed/lonely/angry, I tend to identify more with sad/depressed/lonely/angry music. |
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Post by Rit on Jun 1, 2004 15:06:06 GMT -5
i understand ya. i had a suspicion that's what you meant all along
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And the fact that you were listening to that song.... man, I so wanna raid your CD/record collection!
