Israel VS Palestine

[KayJay]

I'm not Chrisfan, but if you'll go back and take a look at post #378, you can see where Nasrallah was quoted in 1992 and in 2002 stating just that.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Okay, well Bush wants to crush every terrorist and annihilate "Islamic Fundamentalism", by invading their sovereign lands under a guise of "pre-emption", you think that's okay? What's the difference?

[skvorisdeadsorta]

What about the statments made by Ariel Sharon that the only good Palestianian is a dead one? If a people goes through a holocaust does that give them ample ammunition to perform one of their own? Does being Jewish make you above the law?

[KayJay]

Nope. I sure don't, even though that has nothing to do right now with the Israeli/Lebanon mess. That's a whole 'nuther ballgame.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

kj said:

I'm not Chrisfan, but if you'll go back and take a look at post #378, you can see where Nasrallah was quoted in 1992 and in 2002 stating just that.

I did and look at it: How in the hell would you feel if you were invaded all of the time and the US paid for your destruction....?

I'm not saying Hezbollah are the gifts from the heavens and totally in the right, but come on, you guys act like Israel is just some innocent little Lamb being brought to slaughter.

[chrisfan]

skvorisdeadsorta said:

Okay, well Bush wants to crush every terrorist and annihilate "Islamic Fundamentalism", by invading their sovereign lands under a guise of "pre-emption", you think that's okay? What's the difference?

The difference between wanting to eliminate an unacceptable behavior from this earth vs wanting to eliminate a group of people merely for their religion and/or heritage? You REALLY don't see the difference there Skvor?

[KayJay]

skvorisdeadsorta said:

What about the statments made by Ariel Sharon that the only good Palestianian is a dead one? If a people goes through a holocaust does that give them ample ammunition to perform one of their own? Does being Jewish make you above the law?

Oh, my! I certainly hope you don't think I feel that way, for if you do, well... I started to say "then you don't know me at all" but you really don't know me, do you? Never mind.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Are we eliminating Terrorist because they bring Terror, or are we eliminating them because they 1. Stand in the way of our oil and we are using manifest destiny tactics to back up our bogus claim to preemptive war under that guise 2. That Arab Nationalism is not in our best interest because they will actually have a back bone against our policies that could economically hurt them. 3. That they are indeed Muslim and that this is another Crusade to bring the Nation of Islam crippled under a Christian sword

I'm a Christian and I don't advocate any of that as it goes against my Christian beliefs........
so no, I don't see a difference. I see fat cat politicians looking at this as a possible scenario for historical longevity through the utter destruction of "a backwards people".

[skvorisdeadsorta]

kj said:

skvorisdeadsorta said:

What about the statments made by Ariel Sharon that the only good Palestianian is a dead one? If a people goes through a holocaust does that give them ample ammunition to perform one of their own? Does being Jewish make you above the law?

Oh, my! I certainly hope you don't think I feel that way, for if you do, well... I started to say "then you don't know me at all" but you really don't know me, do you? Never mind.

No, I don't think that way about you, it was just a general question.

[KayJay]

skvorisdeadsorta said:

kj said:

I'm not Chrisfan, but if you'll go back and take a look at post #378, you can see where Nasrallah was quoted in 1992 and in 2002 stating just that.

I did and look at it: How in the hell would you feel if you were invaded all of the time and the US paid for your destruction....?

I'm not saying Hezbollah are the gifts from the heavens and totally in the right, but come on, you guys act like Israel is just some innocent little Lamb being brought to slaughter.

I'm not taking "sides" yet, remember? You asked a question and I answered, that's all. I've already said I'm not taking "sides" until I get more information. I've taken a look at Hezbollah, and tomorrow I will be taking a look at Israel.

Thank you for being so patient with me. Right now I have some housework to tend to and tomatoes to pick. Please send me an email if you have some pointers for me of what to focus on with Israel. I'd definitely appreciate the help.

Do you think that maybe we need to be condemning at the US instead of Israel or Hezbollah? damn... sure makes one wonder, doesn't it? I'll be back tomorrow. We can talk more then. Thanks, everyone, for letting me join in.

[chrisfan]

skvorisdeadsorta said:

Are we eliminating Terrorist because they bring Terror, or are we eliminating them because they 1. Stand in the way of our oil and we are using manifest destiny tactics to back up our bogus claim to preemptive war under that guise 2. That Arab Nationalism is not in our best interest because they will actually have a back bone against our policies that could economically hurt them. 3. That they are indeed Muslim and that this is another Crusade to bring the Nation of Islam crippled under a Christian sword

I'm a Christian and I don't advocate any of that as it goes against my Christian beliefs........
so no, I don't see a difference. I see fat cat politicians looking at this as a possible scenario for historical longevity through the utter destruction of "a backwards people".

1. If we wanted to eliminate anything that stood between us and oil, then we'd eliminate those in Washington who refuse to vote in favor of drilling in ANWR. We'd also have to eliminate Jeb Bush since he tends to come between us and oil exploration in the Gulf off the Florida coast.

2. I'm wondering if you haven't mis-worded this one. I can't come up with a scenario where you'd speculate we'd be worried about the economies of Arab nations.

3. If our concern is Islam in general, how do you explain our working with Pakistan?

No Skvor -- I do believe that the concern is terrorism - not Arabs.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Oh I do think that we should be taking the Congress of this Country to task over several of it's measures concerning this region over the last 50 years. I think that is a very fair statement and I am not going to lay all of the blame on Israel.

[chrisfan]

skvorisdeadsorta said:

kj said:

I'm not Chrisfan, but if you'll go back and take a look at post #378, you can see where Nasrallah was quoted in 1992 and in 2002 stating just that.

I did and look at it: How in the hell would you feel if you were invaded all of the time and the US paid for your destruction....?

I'm not saying Hezbollah are the gifts from the heavens and totally in the right, but come on, you guys act like Israel is just some innocent little Lamb being brought to slaughter.

Skvor, do you believe that a line should be drawn at any point determining behavior that is acceptable in order to bring about the change that you desire? Let's not get caught up for a moment in where that line should be drawn. Do you believe it should be drawn at all?

[skvorisdeadsorta]

chrisfan said:

skvorisdeadsorta said:

Are we eliminating Terrorist because they bring Terror, or are we eliminating them because they 1. Stand in the way of our oil and we are using manifest destiny tactics to back up our bogus claim to preemptive war under that guise 2. That Arab Nationalism is not in our best interest because they will actually have a back bone against our policies that could economically hurt them. 3. That they are indeed Muslim and that this is another Crusade to bring the Nation of Islam crippled under a Christian sword

I'm a Christian and I don't advocate any of that as it goes against my Christian beliefs........
so no, I don't see a difference. I see fat cat politicians looking at this as a possible scenario for historical longevity through the utter destruction of "a backwards people".

1. If we wanted to eliminate anything that stood between us and oil, then we'd eliminate those in Washington who refuse to vote in favor of drilling in ANWR. We'd also have to eliminate Jeb Bush since he tends to come between us and oil exploration in the Gulf off the Florida coast.

2. I'm wondering if you haven't mis-worded this one. I can't come up with a scenario where you'd speculate we'd be worried about the economies of Arab nations.

3. If our concern is Islam in general, how do you explain our working with Pakistan?

No Skvor -- I do believe that the concern is terrorism - not Arabs.

I'll take this step by step. 1. Drilling in ANWR was passed by the Senate, and Jeb has backed down from his anti-drilling remarks concerning the coast of Florida and has allowed limited drilling in the region. Still not convinced it's for oil? We also can't expect to see serious results from this until late 2007.....
2. Uh, Islam is the fastest growing population on the face of the planet. We need their product, Oil, to be stable and free flowing because without it, the world's economy is sunk. Look at the way that the price of oil is effecting our economy now, it's only bound to get worse. The more we get them over to "American-style Capitalism", the more we will be able to exploit their resources for our Benefits.
3. Pakistan hasn't exactly turned out well for us and I'm sure that we will continue to support India in it's fight for Kashmir.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

chrisfan said:

skvorisdeadsorta said:

I did and look at it: How in the hell would you feel if you were invaded all of the time and the US paid for your destruction....?

I'm not saying Hezbollah are the gifts from the heavens and totally in the right, but come on, you guys act like Israel is just some innocent little Lamb being brought to slaughter.

Skvor, do you believe that a line should be drawn at any point determining behavior that is acceptable in order to bring about the change that you desire? Let's not get caught up for a moment in where that line should be drawn. Do you believe it should be drawn at all?

Yes.