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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:13:43 GMT -5
. . . or ARE you-?
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by Kensterberg on Jan 17, 2007 12:19:36 GMT -5
Hey ThoRny, have I mentioned lately that you're nuts? I mean, I love ya and all man ... but you're absolutely off your gord.  |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:20:22 GMT -5
In all honesty though - and in the strictest interest of maintaining a bonafide, bottom line adherence to the facts - I feel compelled to point out, that from my own perspective, I would be entirely skeptical that we/our DNA *did NOT* originate extraterrestrially.
I honestly believe that the very term "extraterrestrial" has built-in "red flags" that pop up in people's minds, which cause them to automatically (and unconsciously) reject its inherent proposals.
This, in my honest belief, results in the crucial danger of having "the baby thrown out with the bathwater".
Because if you actually stop and think about it, "exraterrestrial" merely means "apart from this planet", and we all perfectly well know that OUTER SPACE, and its host of itinerant planets, exists.
i.e, WE are in outer space ! Hello, McFlies ! ! Duh ! ! ! And I fear the span (that is, the breadth & depth) of our minds are very planet-centric. Obviously this stems, in part, from our own largely EGOTISTICAL outlooks; that is very natural. What we must all remember to try and do, is seperate ourselves from our own shoes, and try to remember that EARTH is not "All", that in fact, it is but one point in an endless array of such spread throughout this galaxy, and on throughout all galaxies.
I.e, SKEPTICISM to me is something best held towards the notion that we DON'T have our genetic origins stemming from extraterrestrial locations.
ya dig- ?
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:20:52 GMT -5
Now hop on my bandwagon god dammit; get real for a sec  |
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Post by Mary on Jan 17, 2007 12:22:24 GMT -5
Under his logic shouldn't Christians just "get over" that whole killing Jesus thing anyway? Erm, I can't believe I'm even remotely defending this guy, because he's obviously a jackass of the highest order, but I'm pretty sure this was exactly his (idiotic) point. The guy was basically saying: "look, if we have to apologize for shit that our ancestors did, then we might as well make jews apologize for kililng christ" Asinine for a thousand reasons (beginning with the incredibly dubious proposal that "jews killed christ") but still, not a serious proposal. M |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:23:43 GMT -5
Hey ThoRny, have I mentioned lately that you're nuts? I mean, I love ya and all man ... but you're absolutely off your gord. No, you haven't KenHolzman. You are referring to a dry indehiscent one-seeded fruit with a woody pericarp, correct? I see the wry humor in this analogy when considering I am off my "family of chiefly herbaceous tendril-bearing vines", L@L! |
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Post by phil on Jan 17, 2007 12:23:51 GMT -5
Of course you are. You're only human.
With E.T.'s DNA ... !!
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Post by rockysigman on Jan 17, 2007 12:25:01 GMT -5
Under his logic shouldn't Christians just "get over" that whole killing Jesus thing anyway? Erm, I can't believe I'm even remotely defending this guy, because he's obviously a jackass of the highest order, but I'm pretty sure this was exactly his (idiotic) point. The guy was basically saying: "look, if we have to apologize for shit that our ancestors did, then we might as well make jews apologize for kililng christ" Asinine for a thousand reasons (beginning with the incredibly dubious proposal that "jews killed christ") but still, not a serious proposal. MWow, I for one certainly missed that. I think you're probably right that that's what he meant. That article didn't make that exactly clear, but that makes more sense than the other way. He's still a douchebag though. |
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Post by phil on Jan 17, 2007 12:26:49 GMT -5
I tried to "phone home" but the line has been disconnected ...  |
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Post by Kensterberg on Jan 17, 2007 12:31:48 GMT -5
Hey ThoRny, have I mentioned lately that you're nuts? I mean, I love ya and all man ... but you're absolutely off your gord. No, you haven't KenHolzman. You are referring to a dry indehiscent one-seeded fruit with a woody pericarp, correct? I see the wry humor in this analogy when considering I am off my "family of chiefly herbaceous tendril-bearing vines", L@L! OK, as long as we've got that out in the open. Actually, I am open to the prospect that life could have originated elsewhere in the solar system/galaxy, and then "seeded" earth around 4 billion years ago. There's nothing to preclude it. But as for there being some huge leap from erectus to sapiens that required outside intervention 200,000 years ago, well, that's just nuts. We know more about the evolution of early homo sapiens now than at any point previously (which just makes sense), and the picture is actually getting clearer even as it pushes back the beginnings of our species. Where we once thought that sapiens emerged in northern Africa c. 100,000 years ago, we now have strong evidence that pushes the location into sub-Saharan Africa and almost doubles the amount of time we have been on this planet -- back to around 200,000 years ago. IMO it's pretty clear that there is no need to resort to such extraordinary explanations as space-aliens or gods to explain the evolution of humanity, or any other life fomrs in the past half-billion years. Once you've got life on this planet -- regardless of its origin -- evolution takes care of things quite nicely. |
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Post by phil on Jan 17, 2007 12:35:57 GMT -5
About the minimum wages ...
Here are the rates in Québec
(1er mai 2006)
- 7,75 $/heure : general rate
- 7,00 $/heure : restauration/tips workers
- 8,25 $/heure: garment industry workers
To see a rate as low as 5,30 $/hour in Québec,
you got to go back to October, 1990 ... !!
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:42:45 GMT -5
IMO it's pretty clear that there is no need to resort to such extraordinary explanations as space-aliens or gods to explain the evolution of humanity, I see what you're saying, but: have you considered that such explanations may not be "extraordinary" at all? See, that's the whole problem, here. The very fact you have revealed that you find these explanations as being "extraordinary" precludes the very postulate that considers such beings as possible in the first place. I.e, rather than thinking of them in such outlandish terms as "space-aliens or gods", we need to merely accept the possibility of their existence as being perfectly normal (and not "extraordinary" at all). THEN we might make some headway in advancing the trail of our scientific deductions. . . |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2007 12:46:18 GMT -5
Where we once thought that sapiens emerged in northern Africa c. 100,000 years ago, we now have strong evidence that pushes the location into sub-Saharan Africa and almost doubles the amount of time we have been on this planet -- back to around 200,000 years ago. Yes: and there is plenty of common sense evidence to argue that this sub-Saharan African region is the target of a COMET which carried the DNA of all life - human included of course -- from OUTER SPACE to this planet. It is, if fact, what I think happened. There is much scientific data to support this; any study of the history of comets along with the latest findings about them easily leads to this hypothesis. Which, by the way, is not "outlandish" at all: because once again, space exists (and so do comets). |
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Post by rockysigman on Jan 17, 2007 12:46:48 GMT -5
But by definition it is "extraordinary." That doesn't mean it's impossible or false, but it certainly doesn't represent anything that is an "ordinary" part of our existence--these are things that have been speculated about for generations, but nothing we see with any sort of frequency, nor do we even really have any concrete evidence to suggest the existence of aliens, let alone that we decended from them. Therefore such ideas are by definition extraordinary.
I do believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere -- the universe is just far too vast for us to be the only ones. However, that doesn't mean that we decended from them, nor does it mean anything regarding alien life forms is not, at this point in human history, extraordinary.
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