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Post by rockysigman on Dec 20, 2006 19:49:06 GMT -5
I can't be racist! One of my closest friends is black!
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Post by RocDoc on Dec 20, 2006 19:54:20 GMT -5
But your initial comment didn't say anything about violence, it just complained about the presence of Mexicans. Then, when you were called on it, you responded as if we were to have assumed Mexicans = violence.
Fuck no, I did NOT put it that way.
THAT was the way ded spun it for you guys.
And of course if one of yours puts in print for ya, then that's what Doc said.
I did say 'hordes' and just WTF are you to call a quick reversal of demographics where everything you've known is taken over within a half a decade.
Hordes = 'large fucking groups of people'....instant violence?
Didn't say it. BULLshit.
Though it IS fucking happening. The cops own words more than anything.
The POlice...and then sirens, the ambulances bear it out.
And your inference that my neighbor is only nice one-on-one seems like quite an assumption, since you've never met him. And most people get pretty angry if you hit on their wife or girlfriend. So maybe you shouldn't do that anymore.
'....is ONLY nice one on one....'?
Boy that's quite a leap there too.
'Their women' = Their nationality. Mexican girls while in their neighborhoods. IN fucking Humbolt park, IN Little Village, NOT wives NOT girlfriends. Goddamn.
Shit Rocky, thanks for presuming me a complete idiot again.
Nuthin' new.
Gee, at least you're understanding 50% of what I'm trying to say this time...
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Post by RocDoc on Dec 20, 2006 19:55:36 GMT -5
Fuck you, Rocky. Spin it the fucking way you want to.
I'm telling you what my LIFE is like, you presumptuous asshole.
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 20, 2006 19:56:02 GMT -5
Very interesting, thanks ken. I am very intrigued by the fact that El Paso is a very safe city despite so many demographic indicators of an expected crime problem. What do you think the explanation is for this?? Is it just the fact that it was always relatively poor?? It's quite baffling. People who are interested in urban crime ought to study El Paso!! I don't know what "the answer" is ... but I plan on doing some looking into it. I think the long history of being relatively poor has something to do with it, but I don't think that's anywhere near the whole story. I'll post some more on this at some unspecified future point ... hopefully when I can actually address this question more directly. |
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Dec 20, 2006 19:57:16 GMT -5
I like Mexicans, but they don't like me.
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 20, 2006 19:57:38 GMT -5
Fuck you, Rocky. Spin it the fucking way you want to. I'm telling you what my LIFE is like, you presumptuous asshole. I never disputed what your life was like. I have no doubt that you saw some Mexican people do some crazy violent things. But that doesn't mean that assuming that we were to understand that Mexican people = violence isn't incredibly racist. It is. I'm sorry if you're insulted by me telling you that you're racist. But that wouldn't happen if you didn't portray yourself in a way that comes across as being racist. |
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Post by Galactus on Dec 20, 2006 19:59:34 GMT -5
Yeah, doc, no one else thought anything about until I said something...alright...
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Post by Mary on Dec 20, 2006 20:01:03 GMT -5
rocdoc I am not familiar with Chicago suburbs so I cannot comment on the veracity of your account. I will take your word for it. My parents moved to the suburbs of Boston when my older brother was born, way back in 1975, because of the quality-of-school issue, and I don't begrudge them for it, nor do I begrudge you for making the same decision. What troubled me, and I suspect others, about your post, was the blanket scorn you heaped upon "those Mexicans" as a group - the invading "hordes" - with nary a word about crime, education, economics, nothing. Just the fact that there used to be Eastern Europeans, now there are Mexicans, and they don't want to march in a parade. If I was living in a neighborhood that went to shit because of crime, I would lament the fact that it went to shit because of crime - not because of the ethnicity of whoever moved into the neighborhood.
BTW, if a metropolitan area needs to have 6 million people to be a "real" city, then there are only three cities in America: NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles. Philly and Dallas are close.
Ultimately, though, I just don't see how you can make a statement saying you're "sick to death of most types of Mexicans" (as though your experience with mexicans in western chicago suburbs gives you a broad perspective on "most types of mexicans") and then become indignant when people call you on a racist statement.
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Post by RocDoc on Dec 20, 2006 20:03:00 GMT -5
Fuck you, Rocky. Spin it the fucking way you want to.
I'm telling you what my LIFE is like, you presumptuous asshole.
I never disputed what your life was like. I have no doubt that you saw some Mexican people do some crazy violent things. But that doesn't mean you aren't racist.
You're disputing that I'm conveniently trotting relationships I've had with this shit you fucking asshole:
I can't be racist! One of my closest friends is black!
The relationships are NOT some crazy shit some crazy damn Mexican did.
Those relationships ARE my life and you say that stupid shit.
WTF is wrong with you?
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Post by Kensterberg on Dec 20, 2006 20:03:01 GMT -5
I agree completely with Mary's last post, and part of my posting about El Paso was to demonstrate that Mexican does not necessarily equate to "criminal."
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Post by RocDoc on Dec 20, 2006 20:07:45 GMT -5
Mary, Why NOT take it as 'hordes' meaning 'large, VERY large numbers'?
WhyTF not just now?
I described a huge demographic shift in a very short period...NO-one then should use some term indicating being OVERWHELMED?
It most certainly WAS overwhelming.
Why not?
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Post by Mary on Dec 20, 2006 20:13:27 GMT -5
Like it or not "hordes" has an extremely negative connotation. It is almost always used to imply a noxious invasion. Most people probably think of the "mongol hordes" and the word is invariably used by anti-immigration activists to signify the waves and waves of dangerous, unassimilable immigrants presumably pouring into the country and using up its resources. Words have connotations, you cannot plausibly deny that "hordes" has an extremely negative one. Besides, you went on to state baldly that you are sick of "most types of Mexicans" so it's safe to assume you intended the word in a negative manner to begin with.
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Dec 20, 2006 20:17:48 GMT -5
RD, the only action you can take from here on to redeem yourself it to make an appearance on Letterman & then apologise directly to Mexican community leaders for your ill-thought use of the word 'hordes'.
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Post by phil on Dec 20, 2006 20:21:37 GMT -5
Very interesting, thanks ken. I am very intrigued by the fact that El Paso is a very safe city despite so many demographic indicators of an expected crime problem. What do you think the explanation is for this?? Is it just the fact that it was always relatively poor?? It's quite baffling. People who are interested in urban crime ought to study El Paso!! Tight family and social nets ... ?? |
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Post by Mary on Dec 20, 2006 20:21:41 GMT -5
RD, the only action you can take from here on to redeem yourself it to make an appearance on Letterman & then apologise directly to Mexican community leaders for your ill-thought use of the word 'hordes'. It's not just the use of that word. My God, rocdoc blatantly said he's sick to death of most kinds of Mexicans - how is that statement to be interpreted?? |
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