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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 12:55:49 GMT -5
I was reading on the news about how Bush feels for the Mother who is camping out by his ranch, but that he disagrees with pulling out of Iraq, cuz it would "send the wrong signal to our enemies".
I was just wondering what people thought about that, especially sincere Christian folk.
The way I see it, is it's not about what "signal" we send to our "enemies".
It's about MAKING A DIRECT STATEMENT to them.
OH . . .and another thing. It's also about ATTEMPTING TO TRANSFORM THEM FROM "ENEMY" STATUS TO "NON-ENEMIES" . . .isn't that the "Christian Thing" - ?
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 12:56:15 GMT -5
Or does the Bush Administration (whom I understand to be Christian) actually PREFER to RETAIN THEIR ENEMIES, for whatever reasons, at all costs?
Is not the Christian way all about Forgiveness?
Or is it not about that at all?
*just confused about the Bush Administration's logic, here*
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 12:56:45 GMT -5
(Lock THAT, Chrisfan)  (yeah, that's me stickin my tongue out at you) |
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 12:57:39 GMT -5
ARTKNOCKER REPLIED:
It's about MAKING A DIRECT STATEMENT to them.
What--that we're pussies?
Is not the Christian way all about Forgiveness?
"Might as well also tell them: "Please attack us again! Maybe this time you can aim for the Empire State Building!" We have to "communicate" with them the only way they know how. It's kill or be killed. Yer livin' in a dream world, Thorn, and you desperately need to wake up. "
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 12:57:55 GMT -5
(I appreciate your reply, 'knocker. Keep em coming man)
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 13:02:11 GMT -5
I understand your viewpoint, 'knocker. (about livin in a dreamworld, and needing to wake up)
But with all due respect, I feel the same way about your view, check it out man:
I feel that you are living in a dream world. . . only it's not a dream anymore, it's a nightmare.
And that nightmare is reality. Dig?
Self-fulfilled prophecy. CAn you be serious about saying "communicate with them the only way they know how" -? C'mon, man. Killing is not the only way they know how to communicate. . . AND EVEN IF IT WERE, the Christian thing to do is to first obey our Lord's imperative to NOT KILL (seriously man), and USE OUR MINDS to find another way.
Surely we can figure out some outlandish, never-before-thought-of clever plan to trick em, or something. We're Americans! We should be able to use that ol' "know-how", know'm say'n?
Anyhow . . . . you can call me a dreamer, but I ain't the only one . . .
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JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Aug 12, 2005 13:02:31 GMT -5
Welcome, thorn...I just hope you won't be too disappointed if the Insect Lounge's reputation of old keeps a lot of posters away...
I've reconciled myself to it, but I felt obligated to warn you that the Lounge has been a low traffic zone...
One thing, though...it's your thread. I won't tamper with it.
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 13:02:50 GMT -5
in fact, KILLING AIN'T COMMUNICATING, period.
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 13:04:13 GMT -5
That's cool, JAC. I feel good things coming for this Lounge.
A Renaissance, if you will. It's obvious Chrisfan is mis-handling her haven,
and soon it will be peopled strictly with posters who share her view. Won't that be fun,
huh CHrisfan?
I think we'll be seeing a resurgence of earnest CE-talk over here in the Lounge.
It's about time it were Reborn, I say!
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 13:06:23 GMT -5
Back to Knocker's point - - Dude, seriously: Killing Is Not Communicating, so I just don't buy your view that "Killing is the only way they know how to communicate". It just doesn't make sense. You'll have to do better than that.
ok, ok : I hear what you're sayin, actually. That the implementation of terrorism is a legitimate use of "communication", and that it is obviously their chosen "language", if you will. I'll buy that. Let me ponder this more man.
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Artknocker
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Post by Artknocker on Aug 12, 2005 14:07:49 GMT -5
Exactly. They did not choose to diplomatically work out whatever grievances they had with us. They chose to fly two planes into the Twin Towers, one into the Pentagon, and another one to God knows where else. We did not ask for this fight--they asked for one and they got it.
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JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Aug 12, 2005 14:09:42 GMT -5
Who is "they"?
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Artknocker
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Post by Artknocker on Aug 12, 2005 14:16:55 GMT -5
The Teletubbies, JAC--who do you think?
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 12, 2005 14:17:36 GMT -5
That's a good question, JAC. Lord knows the true answer will be yet another cause for divisiveness!
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Now, back to my original premise for this board, and if you don't mind ARt, I am going to try a new "tack". See, I don't want this to turn into another "ideological clashing"; rather, I want to see if we can each soak up and understand the others points.
But in order to do that, we each have to take our respective points one piece at a time, and the key thing is, to NOT GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
A tall order for anyone who is more or less "locked in" to their own POV.
I try not to be. For instance, I desperately want to be EDUCATED, and not just shove my POV down other's throats. I am not here to EDUCATE. I am here to LEARN.
So, once again (and this is especially directed to Christians, which I admit I'm only assuming you are one, Art. Let me know otherwise if that is the case)
But 4U to begin to see where I"M coming from, hear me out piecemeal, again:
~The way I see it, is it's not about what "signal" we send to our "enemies".
It's about MAKING A DIRECT STATEMENT to them.
OH . . .and another thing. It's also about ATTEMPTING TO TRANSFORM THEM FROM "ENEMY" STATUS TO "NON-ENEMIES" . . .isn't that the "Christian Thing" - ?
~Or does the Bush Administration (whom I understand to be Christian) actually PREFER to RETAIN THEIR ENEMIES, for whatever reasons, at all costs?
Is not the Christian way all about Forgiveness?
Or is it not about that at all?
*just confused about the Bush Administration's logic, here*
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Artknocker
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Post by Artknocker on Aug 12, 2005 14:25:42 GMT -5
I try not to be. For instance, I desperately want to be EDUCATED, and not just shove my POV down other's throats. I am not here to EDUCATE. I am here to LEARN.
So am I. In fact, I learned a lot about Pearl Jam this past week.
So, once again (and this is especially directed to Christians, which I admit I'm only assuming you are one, Art. Let me know otherwise if that is the case)
I am undecided about God, but I consider myself to be a Christian sympathizer, if you will.
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So how can they retain their enemies if they're killing them? And which would you rather they do?
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