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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 9:33:20 GMT -5
... & then it continues as
02 Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs
03 is weak enough to be restrained; and the restrainer or
04 reason usurps its place & governs the unwilling.
etc.
(goback to reply #34)
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 9:46:58 GMT -5
Blake reminds me that real worth comes from independant thinking, and that only systems of fear/ repression/ corporatism maintains "evil" indefinitely.... For there to be real changes in people, there must always be an initial Revolt against the system, followed by forgiveness of sins. Without these two crucial things, nothing new comes about.
He was thinking in particular of his own times, and the American and French Revolutions, which he was all for initially, yet when he saw them turn into the great Terrors and/or consolidate into merely another system of tyranny propped up by the victorious class, he realized that without a real revolt in people's hearts, one system will replace the next, and the cycle of downward civilizational trajectory continues, ad infinitum.
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 9:47:40 GMT -5
i think that's what he was saying, anyhow. I have much to read from Blake. and my hurdle is that i'm doing it on my own.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 9:55:38 GMT -5
I like that observation - - it is very incisive.
Yah Blake was the man. A part of him lives on in some of us.
@least it does in me, I know that much.
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 9:58:38 GMT -5
yeah, i'd say so. he belongs to the prophetic class. the word "Prophet", if understood in its vulgar term, implies that someone can see into the future, but that's obviously rubbish.
the proper lineage of the term should imply that someone can See through the present, and has the force of Imagination to visualize a better world, and then has the Poetic capability to convey that vision to others in a meaningful way.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 10:08:52 GMT -5
the word "Prophet", if understood in its vulgar term, implies that someone can see into the future, but that's obviously rubbish.
Not at all. For the "future"/"present"/"'past" are all but one thing.
And we are seeing it now.
Hence = Not Rubbish At All.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 10:09:47 GMT -5
the proper lineage of the term should imply that someone can See through the present, and has the force of Imagination to visualize a better world, and then has the Poetic capability to convey that vision to others in a meaningful way.
Precisely. Seeing through the present & on up the Spine of this Temporal Beast is a knack some of us have . .. and most of us don't.
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Post by poseidon on Sept 13, 2005 10:15:05 GMT -5
magnificent  that particular page is filled with great quips from Blake. Add the link, I'd like to take a look. This is the link for the zodiac info in relation to Kabbalah that I've been reading. Kinda interesting if your into that sort of thing, the problem is whose "theory" does one follow?: www.llewellynjournal.com/article/472 |
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 10:16:55 GMT -5
subtle difference, but point well taken .... if you see the present clearly, and understand all the relations with clarity, then you know the past and you know the future, when it eventually rolls around to you. i certainly dont have it, i'm absent-minded to the point of distraction sometimes. but i can see who does in people i meet, and i console myself with that. Most people are full-well rounded individuals (the best kind).... but there are some here and there that i've met with a largesse in them that i can't explain at all. These are the ones, who living out their ordinary lives, illuminate something every so often, in ways that brighten the horizon of understanding with a flash of deep poetic understanding.... and then the next moment, they're the same as they ever were, and the great wheel of life turns on. |
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 10:20:35 GMT -5
Merc, i don't want to get into Kabbala or anything like that. as Bob Dylan sang, "don't follow leaders, and watch your parking meters"  no need to prescribe to any system at all. be free, be yourself, forgive and forget, drink beer, listen to indie rawk -- really, that's the life anyone ever needs |
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 10:25:16 GMT -5
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 10:27:21 GMT -5
I find the Qabbala to be endlessly fascinating. It holds the Key to the proper understanding(s) of the original ancient biblical texts we take too often for granted in this "illuminated" day and age.
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 13, 2005 10:28:20 GMT -5
"no need to prescribe to any system at all. be free, be yourself, forgive and forget, drink beer, listen to indie rawk -- really, that's the life anyone ever needs "
Words to live by *cheers, Rit*
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Post by poseidon on Sept 13, 2005 10:42:16 GMT -5
After reading the article, I would guess that Halevi's order of signs to tribes would most likely be more based in accuracy and in the Hebrew faith as Halevi follows Numbers, from The Torah if I'm thinking correctly.
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Post by strat-0 on Sept 13, 2005 11:06:27 GMT -5
Blake reminds me that real worth comes from independant thinking, and that only systems of fear/ repression/ corporatism maintains "evil" indefinitely.... For there to be real changes in people, there must always be an initial Revolt against the system, followed by forgiveness of sins. Without these two crucial things, nothing new comes about. He was thinking in particular of his own times, and the American and French Revolutions, which he was all for initially, yet when he saw them turn into the great Terrors and/or consolidate into merely another system of tyranny propped up by the victorious class, he realized that without a real revolt in people's hearts, one system will replace the next, and the cycle of downward civilizational trajectory continues, ad infinitum. I don't know if any of you have seen the Star Trek episode I referenced earlier, but their using a Blake poem really fits in the context of the plot. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but it seems the writer knew his Blake. It wasn't just arbitrarily tossed in there for 'high culture.' It reinforces why I think the original Star Trek is one of the most important and worthy series every presented on TeeVee (for all its cheese by today's standards). |
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