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Post by Rit on Sept 12, 2005 16:21:34 GMT -5
Punk music is not that alien, Phil. You should give it a try. ....unless you're attached to the form which music takes, as opposed to its content (which if you were to be really open to, you would find much the resonates with your frano-libidinous-bohemian heart) ... which brings me back to my initial fervour in denoucing such inconsistancies in the music biz
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Post by maarts on Sept 12, 2005 16:30:01 GMT -5
I agree that there is a certain deliberateness about jazz. The punctuations, the main themes and the rhythmical structures all fall together. Even more avantgardistic exponents have a certain deliberateness in their play; for instance, I saw Keith Jarrett play a solo-concert on Ovatuion the other day and, crouched on top of his piano, there was a certain stategicness and planning about delivering his chords.
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Post by Rit on Sept 12, 2005 16:51:00 GMT -5
yep, i know what you mean, Maarts
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 12, 2005 17:54:05 GMT -5
Wait. I think I detect a sarcasm, a pointed irony in maarts saying that, 'Keith Jarrett was deliberate'. I mean, no kidding that Jarrett is far from the raving Jerry Lee Lewis or the inversions of a Keith Emerson...or a tripped-out Bernie Worrell going funk-mad. C'mon. Everything plays by certain ever-so-subtle rules or has a little bit of structure...or perhaps 'signature' instrumentation. It's what you do within these strictures (whether you indeed see the strictures or not) that makes jazz and blues and bluegrass and a multitude of type of rock and roll...it's what you do there that then makes the music interesting. ~ Yeah, I hear the groans. Dudes, it is a doctor's office. I put this on this morning and then left the office to take my Mom to (other) doctors' offices...but I put it on because my Tivo (the best technology EVER!) recorded a PBS Soundstage show last week with Lindsey Buckingham which was simply outstanding! I watched a bit of it again last night. He and Stevie Nicks duetted on 2 songs, one of which is on this album, called 'Say Goodbye' which was honestly tear-inducing in the way Nicks and Buckingham seemed to sincerely sing this VERY bittersweet song to one another onstage...with a wooonderfully very busy acoustic guitar riff by the amazing Buckingham going like mad, throughout. A great song. Swoonworthy, I swear! Catch it.
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 12, 2005 17:59:47 GMT -5
Ooops, I combined my posts for here and for the 'what are you listening to'-board.
I'll do my penance later, OK?
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Post by maarts on Sept 12, 2005 18:09:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I can follow you here, Doc. I didn't mean to be sarcastic. I didn't mention the spontaneousness but a deliberateness in the way he delivered the chords or the singular themes. He was very concentrated, almost trance-like if you will (like the antithesis of being deliberate) but there was an architect-like build-up in the various phases of the pieces he was playing. I must say that I only have heard a little of Jarrett's output and the only way to be sure is to listen to the recording next to the live-performance I saw. Of course the music on original albums could have been more demure and, agreed, 'it ain't what you do it's the way that you do it'. Perhaps Phil is the more expert in this matter, I can only report what I see and felt.
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 12, 2005 20:16:50 GMT -5
Hmmmm....I was seeing what you said in the context of what was said before, that 'Jazz is improvised music, well, largely...and sometimes it's not, well especially with bands with their orchestrations/arrangements, eh? EH?’ being thrown about as some sort of ‘proof’ that jazz is far less improv than what Phil had originally said... And with rit chiming in as tho to say, ‘and THAT dear Phil is why jazz is also useless to me’ regarding the ‘purity’ he’s famously established as requisite for all his favorite music.
I mean, Keith Jarrett IS generally acknowledged as a master of musical improvisation...I mean the guy's done a continual series of piano improvisation concerts, several of which are hailed as masterworks, esp his 'Köln Concerts', over which Phil will most definitely wax rhapsodic yet one more time here.
Yes the ‘architecture’ upon which he builds his 2+ hour marathons,w hich I think are often w/o intermission is some sort of a standard jazz or classical composer’s motif which he then interlocks within variations upon that theme he’s chosen…it is certainly not scored and for that fact there has to be deliberation, forethought, for giving himself a bit of a rough map which he might use to go east for awhile then perhaps northward…but he’s going off the highway onto rural roads, onto hiking paths but he’s still roundabout the same territory AND it is still most definitely an improvisatory piece.
‘…under the most circumscribed and pre-destined of considerations.’ And when it DOES happen? What happens then, eh? This doesn’t mean there’s not some crazy shit going on when Ellington gave Paul Gonsalves free rein over 27 freaking choruses of ‘Diminuendo & Crescendo In Blue’ at the Newport Jazz Festival in 1956 (thanks Don!) and the crowd goes fucking nuts. I mean really goes nuts. In 1956. As nuts as any rock show crowd that I’ve heard at the crescendo of a perfectly constructed guitar solo….
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Post by phil on Sept 12, 2005 20:36:14 GMT -5
Hé ! You don't know what music is until you've sit through the entire "Sun Bear Concerts Piano Solo" box set, Keith Jarret's 5 concerts on 6 CDs clocking at a whooping 6.5 hours ... Gabba Gabba HEY !!
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Post by phil on Sept 12, 2005 21:00:54 GMT -5
Keith Jarret Solo Concerts: Bremen and Lausanne
Review by Scott Yanow
These are the recordings that made Keith Jarrett famous. Originally released as a three-LP set, the two solo piano recitals feature Jarrett freely improvising and never seeming to run out of ideas.
A simple figure often develops through repetition and subtle variations into a rather complex sequence and eventually evolves into a new figure.
One of the improvisations lasts for three LP sides (64 minutes), while the second concert has two long solos for 30 and 35 minutes, respectively.
Despite the length, the music never loses one's interest, making this an essential recording for all jazz collections.
Back in 1973, after this album was released, I finaly decided to buy myself a reel-to-reel tape machine because I was tired to have to leave my bed and the lady I was with, to go change the damn LP side every 20 minutes or so ...
Jazz and wine and a full tape of Jazz... Perfect for any romantic interlude !!
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 13, 2005 17:54:57 GMT -5
Aaah 1973...back when we all were young and when the 20 minute album side would end (no changers for us purists, dammit!) during a romantic 'discourse' and we'd usually grunt 'Yeah, so?' and just go on doing what it was we were doing, in 'silence'. Did I say silence? Yeah, right.
The 45 minute side of a C-90 cassette was better but STILL wasn't enough, erm, back in the 70s...the place would still get quiet-er.
Of course by then we would be working at interpreting our own, ahem, music.
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A simple figure often develops through repetition and subtle variations into a rather complex sequence and eventually evolves into a new figure.
Often these 'figures' would be based on something, a Bach fugue, a Strauss waltz...stuff which someone of this caliber can toss off this musical pice he's known since he was 6, the same way we would a sneeze. One note or an annotated block of tones, it makes no difference to a player like this...the sense of scale for his improvisation totally changes from that of a mere mortal.
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Hey Phil! The Musical Box is coming to Chicago. Should I go?
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Post by Rit on Sept 13, 2005 23:31:44 GMT -5
i've seen the Musical Box tribute show before. a prog-rawk freind of mine dragged me to it. Genesis was never my thing though.
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Post by maarts on Sept 19, 2005 7:00:17 GMT -5
Lots of John Lennon in the news lately...read the history of how Lennon had loose hands in regards to the ones he loved...how an apparent bad musical about John grinded to a halt (Lennon The Musical! The bitch outta be charged for that!) after only a handful of appearances...and now this:
New twist on Lennon September 19, 2005 John Lennon's first wife Cynthia says she and her son were "airbrushed" from the Beatles' story. She wants to set things straight in a book that reveals he once hit her and ruined their marriage with drugs.
"I'm a great believer in justice in life and I think there has to be two sides," she told Reuters in an interview about her book John which goes on sale next week. It is one of a clutch of books to be published ahead of the 25th anniversary of Lennon's murder on December 8, 1980.
Cynthia Lennon rejects the idea her book is a retaliatory blow. The woman who met Lennon at art school in Liverpool said that, while countless books had told the story of the Fab Four who revolutionised popular music in the 60s, not many had been written by those involved. In the book, she describes the early days of the Beatles, from Liverpool to Hamburg and how her marriage was kept secret because the band's manager, Brian Epstein, thought it did not suit a Beatle's image to have a wife and baby in tow.
She also recounts how Lennon once hit her out of jealousy when they were dating, and how his use of LSD destroyed their marriage. "It's the intimacy of the story that I have tried to portray," she said, adding that she felts as if she and her son Julian, now 42, were "airbrushed" out of the story.
The book adds details of John's relationship with Julian after the divorce and the impact of his death in 1980. There is also more about Yoko Ono, who married Lennon in 1969 and who controls his estate. She describes her growing suspicions about Ono's affair with John during the marriage, and how his grieving widow made clear his ex-wife was not welcome after he was slain. "It's not as though you're an old school friend of mine, Cynthia," she recalls Ono telling her when she suggested accompanying Julian to New York after Lennon was shot. Julian, a teenager at the time, went to New York alone.
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Post by phil on Sept 19, 2005 14:27:09 GMT -5
Hey Phil! The Musical Box is coming to Chicago. Should I go? ¨ ÔÔPS !! Sorry Doc... I haven't checked this thread for a while it seems... If you love Genesis's music... by all means GO see the Musical Box They do a perfect replica of a Genesis Show !! www.themusicalbox.net/I saw that "Lamb..." tour a few years backs ... Excellent !!
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Post by phil on Sept 19, 2005 14:38:12 GMT -5
HÉ ! You know what... While I sympathized with Cynthia Lennon, I don't care much about what she has to say about John Lennon... Same goes for Yoko as far as I'm concerned !! I do careabout his music though ... Now Playing ... John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band
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Post by phil on Sept 19, 2005 20:51:55 GMT -5
Top Ten John Lennon Beatles Songs
10. Help! (Help!)
9. Revolution (Past Masters II)
8. Dear Prudence (White Album)
7. Happiness is a Warm Gun (White Album)
6. I’m the Walrus (Magical Mystery Tour)
5. Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) - Rubber Soul -
4. Don't Let Me Down (Past Masters II)
3. Across the Universe (Past Masters II)
2. Strawberry Fields Forever (Magical Mystery Tour)
1. In My Life (Rubber Soul)
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