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Post by Rit on Jan 16, 2006 10:37:38 GMT -5
yeah, i felt like that too. we're like soul brothers or something.
okay. Jandek listening session commences now.. my morning duties are over.
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Post by Rit on Jan 16, 2006 10:38:02 GMT -5
you can grab some of them from me, if you want a taster before you buy, DED.
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Post by Galactus on Jan 16, 2006 11:58:54 GMT -5
you can grab some of them from me, if you want a taster before you buy, DED. Will do when I get home tonight, thanks. |
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Post by Rit on Jan 16, 2006 12:09:02 GMT -5
having had a day to think about it now, i'd say he's worthwhile investing some time into. I'm up for it. It seems like a culmination of interest in Syd Barrett and Beefheart. Plus the mystery of it is appealling. If this guy is so willing to make music so willfully personal and direct, and isn't playing any sort of commercial game (he sells his albums for ridiculously cheap on mail order), AND by the looks of reviews by other people, he's not some hack... then he deserves some attention.
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Post by Rit on Jan 16, 2006 13:12:16 GMT -5
meh... it's not all fun and games.. Jandek's Six By Six album (just now playing) was tedious.
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Post by RocDoc on Jan 16, 2006 19:50:28 GMT -5
Ouch.
...coming from a man who likes Beefheart the way you do....THAT would be a very damning statement.
Seeing as Beefheart pret near defines 'tedium'...
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Post by Rit on Jan 17, 2006 0:21:34 GMT -5
Ouch. ...coming from a man who likes Beefheart the way you do....THAT would be a very damning statement. Seeing as Beefheart pret near defines 'tedium'... erm? Beefheart doesn't define tedium.. far from it. Jandek, however, comes close to tedium sometimes. |
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Post by Paul on Jan 17, 2006 9:45:06 GMT -5
about the Syd Barrett stuff.. i did make that compilation and its on my harddrive.. if you use SLSK you could get it off me. The Syd-Pink Flyd stuff you'd find easier to get into if you're a Kinks fan, as the Kinks have more in common with that Syd Floyd era than with the classic rock Pink Floyd everyone knows and loves. I've heard bits of the Syd ers Floyd, and from what I've heard liked it more than the Waters/Gillmore Floyd. |
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Post by Paul on Jan 17, 2006 9:53:16 GMT -5
FYI, the all time best cover of a Kinks song is the Jam's terrific rendition of David Watts. With a hearty "Oi!" to put an exclamation mark on every chorus, it completely transcends the original in every way. Noooooo! I am familiar with this particular cover and it most certainly does NOT transcend the original. Nice try though Ken - your Weller fanaticism is known to me  Actually been finding some Kinks covers on soulseek - there's a woeful but funny live version of the Cure doing You Really Got ME that won't be topping anyone's Kinks covers list anytime soon. Also interested to see Elliott Smith has done a few - though I've yet to listen to them. Pcook (is it Paul?) - I'm still working on my Kinks list - but I'm on a listening ban for this morning - I think I've kinked the better half to death this weekend.... Paul, pcook, cookie, cook, PC...they all work for me.... I'm looking forward to your list. With a band like the Kinks it's really difficult considering the changes they went through....It's like there could be a best of the garage rock years, the golden years, the rock opera years, and the arena rock years... I still don't have their releases from the 1980's, and I'm missing 2 of the rock opera albums (Soap Opera, and School Boys in Disgrace). Speaking of, I'd say Preservation is a visionary album as well.... For me the verdict is still out on Act 1 & 2, both have fine moments, but neither holds up by itself IMO. Although Act 1 has some of my favorite Kinks songs, and it's layered nicely which make multiple listens all the more interesting. The story reminds me of a prequel for 1984. |
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Post by Rit on Jan 17, 2006 11:47:11 GMT -5
not that anyone's paying attention but so far in my Jandek expedition, i find that Blue Corpse and Chair Beside The Window are his best albums.
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Post by RocDoc on Jan 17, 2006 15:53:41 GMT -5
erm? Beefheart doesn't define tedium.. far from it.
Does so.
OK, maybe he doesn't define it, that Gasbag...but saying 'far from it' is patently untrue.
Calculatedly amateurish so-called intuitive art always comes very close, uncomfortably close to tedium.
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Post by dolly on Jan 19, 2006 14:00:09 GMT -5
Paul, pcook, cookie, cook, PC...they all work for me.... I'm looking forward to your list. With a band like the Kinks it's really difficult considering the changes they went through....It's like there could be a best of the garage rock years, the golden years, the rock opera years, and the arena rock years... I still don't have their releases from the 1980's, and I'm missing 2 of the rock opera albums (Soap Opera, and School Boys in Disgrace). Speaking of, I'd say Preservation is a visionary album as well.... For me the verdict is still out on Act 1 & 2, both have fine moments, but neither holds up by itself IMO. Although Act 1 has some of my favorite Kinks songs, and it's layered nicely which make multiple listens all the more interesting. The story reminds me of a prequel for 1984. There are certainly holes in my knowledge too, Paul - but I'm still gonna make that list. Had a busy week this week as I'm back at school and have LOADS to catch up with, but it will be along at some point. I shall however be listening to lots of Kinks as my sister and I have a date with one Mr Davies on Feb 11th at the aforementioned gig in Shepherd's Bush  I'm hoping my seats will allow me to take a decent photo or two, but never having been to Sheps Bush before, we'll have to wait and see. First though, Richard Thompson coming up this Saturday..... |
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Post by RocDoc on Jan 19, 2006 17:18:16 GMT -5
...speaking of 'Visionary'.
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Post by Paul on Jan 20, 2006 9:29:17 GMT -5
Paul, pcook, cookie, cook, PC...they all work for me.... I'm looking forward to your list. With a band like the Kinks it's really difficult considering the changes they went through....It's like there could be a best of the garage rock years, the golden years, the rock opera years, and the arena rock years... I still don't have their releases from the 1980's, and I'm missing 2 of the rock opera albums (Soap Opera, and School Boys in Disgrace). Speaking of, I'd say Preservation is a visionary album as well.... For me the verdict is still out on Act 1 & 2, both have fine moments, but neither holds up by itself IMO. Although Act 1 has some of my favorite Kinks songs, and it's layered nicely which make multiple listens all the more interesting. The story reminds me of a prequel for 1984. There are certainly holes in my knowledge too, Paul - but I'm still gonna make that list. Had a busy week this week as I'm back at school and have LOADS to catch up with, but it will be along at some point. I shall however be listening to lots of Kinks as my sister and I have a date with one Mr Davies on Feb 11th at the aforementioned gig in Shepherd's Bush I'm hoping my seats will allow me to take a decent photo or two, but never having been to Sheps Bush before, we'll have to wait and see. First though, Richard Thompson coming up this Saturday..... I'm jealous! Hopefully Mr. Davies will do a tour of the States, and make his way to DC...I think he would do well at a place like the 9:30 Club...Hope you get some good photos (and share them ) I haven't made my "best of Kinks list", but I have made some mixes like my best of from 1964-1966, but not a full fledged definitive Kinks list. They have hundreds of songs, which makes for a difficult time choosing... |
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Post by Rit on Jan 23, 2006 16:21:29 GMT -5
Joy Division is great and all, but not great enough. somehow. imo. New Order is great too, but also lacking something.
I figure that the problem is because from 1978-1982, there's only one band we're looking at, that went by the name of Joy Division/New Order, who happened to lose their lead singer halfway thru. They're two parts of a whole that was ripped in half. New Order got the melody, and Joy Division got the spirit.
hence, here's a handy compilation reminding listeners of why this hybrid band (JD/NO) was one of the greatest bands in history. I've sequenced it so that it moves seamlessly from Joy Division's motorik punk sound to the New Order synth dancepunk sound, with the track "Isolation" being the lynchpin bridge, before ending up with New Order's seminal post-punk claim to fame (and first single): "Ceremony", which was actually a Joy Division song that they'd preformed live with Ian Curtis before he died. So i think the tracklisting fits.
recap: they are really ONE band from 1978-1982, right up to the release of the "Blue Monday" single.
a Joy Division (by way of New Order) mix c. 1979-1982 (45 minutes)
6 songs for JD and 4 songs for NO, weighted to represent the proper due influences
(1.) Atmosphere
(2.) Transmission
(3.) Love Will Tear Us Apart (1995 remix from Permanent album)
(4.) Dead Souls
(5.) She's Lost Control
(6.) Isolation
(7.) Everything's Gone Green
(8.) Temptation (12" original version from 1982 from Retro boxset)
(09.) Procession
(10.) Ceremony (2005 remix from Singles album)
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note: when compiling this, use Joy Division tracks from the "Permanent" disc, and use New Order tracks from the new "Singles" comp... the sound quality in both cases was remixed brilliantly, is on par with each other, and makes for excellent parity
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After 1982, imo, New Order definitely splits apart from their JD origins, and became something else altogether. namely a pop band. A good pop band, but a different sort of band from the Joy Division '78-'82 legacy.
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