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Post by luke on Jan 18, 2006 16:34:56 GMT -5
Rocky- Yeah, part of it to me is if they COULD drop that album and get back to the top. I mean, the Rolling Stones are incapable of making another Exile on Mainstreet, the new Pixies won't be nearly as good as Surfer Rosa, and the Chili Peppers, God bless'em, won't make another BSSM. But Radiohead might have another OK Computer in them, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Tool drop another Lataralus.
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Post by kmc on Jan 18, 2006 17:31:18 GMT -5
But then again, I would not want another OK Computer or Lateralus from either of them. I am fine with those albums, and am looking forward to inventive growth.
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Post by rockysigman on Jan 18, 2006 17:39:56 GMT -5
I think that was what meant Luke meant though (and tell me if I'm wrong Luke). When someone says "another OK Computer", I think they usually mean an album as forward looking and innovative as that album, not an album that sounds just like it. I think an album that sounds just like OK Computer would automatically fail to be "another OK Computer" by virtue of being a copy of another album.
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Post by Kensterberg on Jan 18, 2006 18:21:02 GMT -5
Disagree on the "years around" thing. On "all time" lists, sure, or even on "of the last ten years" list, but on a "right now" list, I don't think it matters if you have one album or fifty. What matters is the band most in their element; the band that welds the most power right now, at this exact moment. What your last couple albums sounded like means fuck all...the important thing is how good you are right now. I agree with this completely. Best band on earth to me means best band "right now" and that's a very short term proposition. In 1963, the Beatles were the best band on the planet, although they hadn't released a single LP in the U.S. Not to beat a dead horse, but the Clash became a contender for the title as soon as they released The Clash in 1977. So just one perfect album combined with some truly exciting, world class, live shows can get a band in the running for this title at that point in time. So it's possible that RHCP, Radiohead, or whoever could claim this title (back) with their next release/tour. Though Jesus had a good point about Wilco's lack of international success, I think I'd still take Tweedy and co. at this point in time. Unlike Thorn, I don't consider moshing to be a (near) mandatory qualification for best band on the planet status. |
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Post by Rit on Jan 18, 2006 19:40:45 GMT -5
A bunch of faggy prose, no insight to the music, more concerned with how in a band is than what they sound like, not to mention a prime motive of indie cred with nothing insightful to say about much of anything. Their best writing comes when the review fashion, scenes, or music documentaries. Collectively, they're a bunch of nobodies. Who's the David Fricke of Pitchfork? Seriously, every writer on that staff is completely disposable, and that'll never work in the long-run. what? faggy prose? If you want an example of faggy prose, you should check out Stylus Magazine or Coke Machine Glow. Those are the pretenders... P'Fork often has a pretty good standard, often able to pick out the most succinct identifier about the band and mentions it somewhere in the review, tipping the reader off to where the band is coming from. It's an indie rag, afterall... so context and "setting the scene" is indulged. They also have a superb commitment to the indie scene as a whole, and more often than not reward bands that go out on a limb or are genuine. Though once in a while they'll cheerlead in the worst possible sense. What's the problem with talking about how a band is as opposed to what they sound like, Luke? You can't really talk about sound to begin with. Like dancing about architecture or something like that. Collectively they're a bunch of nobodies? i dunno, i've seen a few superstar names come up through the ranks.. DiCreshenzo, Ott, Leone, Bowers..... all of whom were quality writers. Ott was even asked to write a book, based on his output at P'Fork. David Fricke? He's the standard go-to-guy of the old fogies when they want to sound cool. He also loves the Velvets. I guess i like him too. |
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Post by Rit on Jan 18, 2006 20:15:44 GMT -5
all that aside, my fave online music mag is: Playlouder playlouder.comit's british, and it doesn't give a f*** about anything in particular. |
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Post by fredrum on Jan 18, 2006 21:13:55 GMT -5
maybe ive been living under a rock for two years, but who the fuck is the arcade fire?
and why should i care?
and regardless of the fact that tool hasnt put out an album or toured for four years, if they were to release something tomorrow, i have no doubt it would be the most bad assed thing ive ever heard.
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Post by Rit on Jan 18, 2006 21:30:24 GMT -5
Arcade Fire? Montreal band. one of the better live shows out there. Released a great debut album 2 years ago.
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Post by luke on Jan 18, 2006 22:18:04 GMT -5
Fricke sold out YEARS ago, but the fact still remains that even frickin' Rob Sheffield is a bigger name than anyone at Pitchfork. They're peons. Nobodies, and getting invited to write some hipster chic book that'll sell a ton of copies in cities like Austin means fuck-all.
When was the last time you tried to read one of their track reviews? Or better yet, ANY of their commentary on hip-hop? Look no further for pretenders and phonies.
They have no allegiance to the substance of a band, and are, when you look at music as a whole, fairly narrow in what they listen to and what they like. It's cool that they have a certain flavor to what they dig, but they completely run it into the ground and don't step outside their little box.
The prose is fucking HORRIBLE. Yeah, a lot of 'zines are even worse, but that's because they one-up Pitchfork in weak trends and phony attitude by trying to copy that same hard-on for weak trends and phony attitude.
They have a commitment to the indie style and fashion. They have no allegiance to any particular band, and will turn on anyone on a dime if they deem it the flavor of the day. They are the most despicable type of fickle scenesters there are.
At least Stylus or Onion A.V. come off like a bunch of kids who know fuck-all expressing their opinions. At least NME is a legitimate force that has the right to be a bunch of cocky over-hyping assholes. Pitchfork really thinks there's something there, and that's what makes them so terrible.
I've read TONS of shit on the site, out of boredom or links to news stories. The whole site has about as much substance as the lame ass Urban Outfitters wannabe stores they advertise on the side of their page.
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Post by luke on Jan 18, 2006 22:21:43 GMT -5
But then again, I would not want another OK Computer or Lateralus from either of them. I am fine with those albums, and am looking forward to inventive growth. Totally what Rocky said. The "Metallica Argument"* wasn't meant to be invoked at all; just that they could do something equally huge. *"Yeah, that would be REAL cool, if they kept making Kill'em All Pt. 60." |
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Post by luke on Jan 18, 2006 22:24:05 GMT -5
Radiohead BUT, I've never heard Broken Social Scene so who knows if that'll change. I seriously doubt it, but after seeing luke and Rileydog rave about 'em so much, I'm finally convinced that my next purchase must be You Forgot It In People. Hopefully I'll be thanking you guys for this. Meant to mention this earlier, but... *winces at thought of Melon listening to "I'm Still Your Fag"* |
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Post by Galactus on Jan 18, 2006 22:41:33 GMT -5
I just wanted to mention again that The Arcade Fire really isn't that good.
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Post by kmc on Jan 18, 2006 23:43:20 GMT -5
It's important that people remember that. The Shins are much better than The Arcade Fire, as is Interpol.
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Post by Galactus on Jan 18, 2006 23:57:24 GMT -5
The Shins, now there's a band that deserves more praise around here.
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Post by wayved on Jan 19, 2006 0:40:41 GMT -5
Mantis--Neil Young and Crazy Horse are not down for the count yet. I would have voted for them! Shins get plenty of praise. I love the Shins meself. I think the Arcade Fire get alot of heat for their hype. Clean the wax out of your ears son. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ep or the album. You probably hate the Strokes too cos they are "popular".
My choices?? Tool, Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Broken Social Scene? What?! None of them!
While each band is great and all those bands have recieved plenty of minutes from my life--none of them has parted clouds (well maybe You Forgot it in people by BSS) or walked on water.
My vote: The MINT CHICKS! THE MINT CHICKS! Im not being negative--I just think the Mint Chicks are SUPERIOR. But I could not choose them.
By the way--all you wanna be haters--Interpol is a damn good Joy Division knock off. Plus there are moments on their first album that transcend their influences.....
Amusement Parks on Fire and Rogue Wave are close runners up!
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Arcade Fire (though some people who think they wanna be hip wanna dis it now cos Wal mart is carrying it),
and the Broken Social Scene -- I had to ask for that shit when I bought it--"its in the back! hold on!" Next week it was all over the store. I think its great!
I do know and dont know where I am going with this....haha!
Since Guided By Voices, the best band to walk the face of the planet since I have been alive, is no longer stomping around I say THE MINT CHICKS! THE MINT CHICKS!
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