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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 17, 2006 9:42:15 GMT -5
 At only 7 songs long, this classic EP from the grunge era remains in my mind as a perfect album. From the swirling eeriness of Rotten Apple on through a many layered cake of Floydian undertones, the guitar, bass, drum & vocals provide a truly haunting context for this loose but focused set of songs. ~ Let's start having explanations why y'all think these albums you're suggesting are "perfect". In my book - - maybe one out of 100 albums could even begin to be considered for that kind of qualification. Needless to say, I don't think throwin out heaps of albums sayin they're 'perfect' makes much sense. Sayin they're good or you like them, well sure - but perfect-? I wanna hear reasons . . . qualifyers. So far I've provided 3 albums . . . I'm trying real hard to think up some more. |
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Post by riley on Oct 17, 2006 10:17:10 GMT -5
My Morning Jacket - Z Death Cab For Cutie - We Have The Facts And We're Voting Yes The Shins - Shutes Too Narrow Pearl Jam - No Code Sonic Youth - Datdream Nation Oasis - Morning Glory Sugar - Copper Blue Matthew Sweet - Girlfriend The Jayhawks - Tomorrow The Green Grass Cheap Trick - In Color The Replacements - Tim ...just to scratch the surface... I think DED and I might be siamese twins attached and detached by brains at some point in our childhoods. I would remove a few and add a few but most of these would be on my 5 star list. Urban Hymns by The Verve is flawless, for instance. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 17, 2006 10:56:59 GMT -5
I sure as hell love Pink Floyd's WISH YOU WERE HERE, and furthermore - - wouldn't dream of changing a single note. However - - I am well aware that the musicians themselves feel those sessions were far from "perfect". Because I respect these musicians - and value their opinions - especially when it concerns their own music - I have no choice but to sigh & take their word for it.
Hence, WISH YOU WERE HERE must be relegated to the "Imperfect Albums" bin (much to my dismay).
Why do you think URBAN HYMNS is "perfect", Riley?
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 17, 2006 11:01:07 GMT -5
 Ok, after long & careful consideration - - (I am hesitant to just fling out any ol' album I happen to love as meeting the requirements of "perfection") -- I include Eno's Thursday Afternoon as another example of the "perfect album". Why? Freakin' listen to it. It is one 61-minute track, and was the first album composed to meet the requirements of the CD format, when initially released in 1985. That is one hint towards why this album deserves the moniker of perfection, in my fucking o. |
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Post by luke on Oct 17, 2006 13:08:38 GMT -5
Urban Hymns would be flawless if you cut every song over six minutes. It's true, look it up.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 17, 2006 14:12:44 GMT -5
haha
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Post by Ryosuke on Oct 17, 2006 19:59:31 GMT -5
Isn't "contested" half the fun?  Agreed. Fuck London Calling and Revolver and Pet Sounds and Doolittle - of course those are 5-star albums! What's the point of even mentioning them? It's much more fun to mention stuff that might raise some eyebrows. I'd say that Weeping Guitar has the better idea...if this were another forum. The people here seem so brainwashed by the Wilco cult that it probably won't raise as many eyebrows as it should! |
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Post by Ryosuke on Oct 17, 2006 20:02:40 GMT -5
Let's start having explanations why y'all think these albums you're suggesting are "perfect". In my book - - maybe one out of 100 albums could even begin to be considered for that kind of qualification. Needless to say, I don't think throwin out heaps of albums sayin they're 'perfect' makes much sense. Sayin they're good or you like them, well sure - but perfect-? I wanna hear reasons . . . qualifyers. I dunno, I think my definition of "perfect" might be more lenient than yours. There are heaps, well maybe not heaps, but the albums in my collection that I'd consider to be "perfect" are plentiful enough. Life's more fun when you have lower standards, ya know |
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 18, 2006 0:08:31 GMT -5
Isn't "contested" half the fun? Agreed. Fuck London Calling and Revolver and Pet Sounds and Doolittle - of course those are 5-star albums! What's the point of even mentioning them? It's much more fun to mention stuff that might raise some eyebrows. I'd say that Weeping Guitar has the better idea...if this were another forum. The people here seem so brainwashed by the Wilco cult that it probably won't raise as many eyebrows as it should! Brainwashed by the Cult of Wilco? Hell, we invented the Cult of Wilco (better known as COW)! Since there's a desire to go beyond the obvious choices here ... here's a few that might raise a few eyebrows (or not) ... Being There, Wilco (it's a mess of material, but it's a brilliant mess! I wouldn't change a note, or a thing about the packaging) As Is Now, Paul Weller (this is as good as anything anyone over the age of forty has ever done) Boy, U2 (as good as any debut in rock, including Murmer) Copper Blue, Sugar (I know Luke agrees) Dig Me Out, Sleater-Kinney Hail to the Thief, Radiohead London 0, Hull 4, Housemartins Los Angeles, X Love is the Law, The Suburbs Making Movies, Dire Straits New York, Lou Reed Power, Corruption, and Lies, New Order (absolutely perfect! perfect!) Special Beat Service, The English Beat Suicaine Gratifaction, Paul Westerberg '77, Talking Heads Temple of Low Men, Crowded House |
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 18, 2006 0:13:22 GMT -5
A few more ...
The End of the Innocence, Don Henley
The Who By Numbers, The Who
Time Out of Mind, Bob Dylan
Peter Gabriel 3, Peter Gabriel
Under a Blood Red Sky, U2
War, U2
Document, R.E.M.
The Alternative to Love, Brendan Benson (love this record, absolutely love it)
and ...
Yankee, Hotel, Foxtrot, Wilco ... toss in Summerteeth while yer at it.
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Post by Galactus on Oct 18, 2006 0:47:01 GMT -5
By my count you've listed at least three more "perfect" albums then U2 actually made.
Ken, I love the Who, really, and I think Who By Numbers is a very underrated album but I have a hard time giving it 5 stars...
Love & Theft is better then Time Out Of Mind and I'm not sure either are worthy of five stars.
Don Henley has never done anything above three stars...okay the song itself I'll give you but not the whole album.
None of Westerberg's solo albums are five star efferts and if any of them were it'd be 14 Songs.
Fugazi's In On The Killtaker is pretty damned perfect. As is the first Boston album...you know it is, suck it.
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Post by rockysigman on Oct 18, 2006 0:56:19 GMT -5
The Alternative to Love, Brendan Benson Brendan Benson? Five stars? Seriously? Wow. |
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Post by rockysigman on Oct 18, 2006 0:56:34 GMT -5
We really hear a totally different thing in Brendan Benson.
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Post by Ryosuke on Oct 18, 2006 1:28:58 GMT -5
Well as the one-man Cult of Mayumi Kojima, I have no choice but to mention this album:
Ai no Poltergeist - Mayumi Kojima
Feel free to disagree, but that only means you suck.
I would also unhesitatingly give 5 stars to the Delgados' Hate album. Yeah I know you think The Great Eastern is better but you're dead wrong.
Agreed with ded on U2. War and Achtung Baby are perfect, but the rest do not deserve that descriptive, although some of them are quite good (and some aren't quite good).
I honestly can't think of a single band that has produced more than two "perfect" albums.
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Post by Paul on Oct 18, 2006 10:51:44 GMT -5
Let's start having explanations why y'all think these albums you're suggesting are "perfect". In my book - - maybe one out of 100 albums could even begin to be considered for that kind of qualification. Needless to say, I don't think throwin out heaps of albums sayin they're 'perfect' makes much sense. Sayin they're good or you like them, well sure - but perfect-? I wanna hear reasons . . . qualifyers. I dunno, I think my definition of "perfect" might be more lenient than yours. There are heaps, well maybe not heaps, but the albums in my collection that I'd consider to be "perfect" are plentiful enough. Life's more fun when you have lower standards, ya know My intention w/ this thread was to try to pull together what we experts deem worthy of 5 stars, and why. So far it's been more list than reasoning....At any rate, I don't mind seeing the obvious choices here (Abbey Road, London Calling, Born To Run, etc...) but I'd like to see why you all come to the conclusions of your 5 star rating. I'm kinda having trouble thinking of a true 5 star album...as much as I love the Kinks and Pearl Jam, I find many of their albums to be between 3 and 1/2 to 4 and 1/2 stars.....I'm not even so sure about 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' -- I'm thinking that's 4&1/2.... |
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