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Post by Galactus on Aug 30, 2005 8:49:36 GMT -5
I agree with Riley...while Husker Du is clearly more influencial, Sugar was a better band.
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Post by maarts on Aug 30, 2005 8:51:25 GMT -5
Uvavu!
Husker Du!
Kukeleku!
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Post by riley on Aug 30, 2005 8:55:03 GMT -5
Be that as it may, Copper Blue owns the hole Husker Du catalogue. Yes I said it. Owns. |
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Post by maarts on Aug 30, 2005 8:59:10 GMT -5
Copper Blue's to Land Speed Record what Empire Burlesque is to Blonde On Blonde.
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Post by Galactus on Aug 30, 2005 9:00:41 GMT -5
Oh my god Maarts is having a seizure, somebody get his wallet!
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Post by Galactus on Aug 30, 2005 9:01:25 GMT -5
dammit you weren't supposed to post again so soon.
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Post by riley on Aug 30, 2005 9:02:30 GMT -5
Is that a Dylan reference? Maarts, if you're trying to confuse me, that's the best way  If it is a Dylan parallel, then let me take it a step further by saying Copper Blue and Land Speed Record own the whole Dylan catalogue, most of which I don't have the attention span or sufficient hours of life remaining to muddle through. |
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Post by Galactus on Aug 30, 2005 9:08:19 GMT -5
Copper Blue ...Empire Bur....Maarts I'm rejecting your analogy license. Even assuming Land Speed Record is Blonde On Blonde, Copper Blue is Hwy 61.
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Post by maarts on Aug 30, 2005 9:09:06 GMT -5
On that I can agree. Even though Land Speed Record coukld achieve that feat all by itself  |
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Post by riley on Aug 30, 2005 9:09:56 GMT -5
Thankfully neither Husker Du nor Sugar used any harmonica.
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Post by riley on Aug 30, 2005 9:11:13 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority who enjoy Candy Apple Grey best as far as HD goes, but last time I dug soem out, it seemed to work best for me.
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Post by Kensterberg on Aug 30, 2005 9:15:41 GMT -5
Sugar were definitely NOT a better band than Husker Du ... but they were more consistent. Sugar rarely (if ever) cut a bum tune, while there's plenty of filler in the Husker Du catalog. However, Sugar never made a record that even approaches the brilliance of Wherehouse: Songs and Stories or Flip Your Wig (IMO the two best records Bob Mould has ever had a hand in). And part of that was the tension between Mould and Grant Hart -- the dynamic of having two exceptional songwriters in the same band may make for tense behind the music moments, but it also results in great rock and roll. Sugar was a much more harmonious project (Mould would never have written songs like those on Copper Blue while in Husker Du), and that "it feels good" vibe certainly has its appeal. But ultimately, I've gotta go with the original Minneapolis hard-core (and beyond) trio.
That said, every Sugar record is better than Land Speed Record or (gulp!) Zen Arcade (the most overrated record in punk -- tons of ambition, but not nearly well enough executed). For most of their careers, it's a toss-up. Copper Blue or New Day Rising? Pick one, they're both exceptional records. File Under Easy Listening or Candy Apple Grey (or the superb EP Metal Circus)? How to choose?
But (from what I've heard of Bob's solo output) the worst HD or Sugar records are better than anything in Mould's solo career. The man really seems to work best in a group setting.
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Post by maarts on Aug 30, 2005 9:16:17 GMT -5
In the beginning I did prefer Candy Apple Grey too but if I play the Du' I pick up Land Speed Record more often nowadays. Brutal, brutal album. Took a little while to get used to Warehouse:Songs & Stories and still is my least preferred album..
Cool! Listening to internet radio, Jesus And Mary Chain come on!
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Post by riley on Aug 30, 2005 9:30:23 GMT -5
Ken. I'll give you the tension thing Hart and Mould had happening in HD. No question that dynamic afforded the material something Sugar obviously couldn't muster (nor was designed to).
For me though, the white sound test pattern signature HD had, carries relevance to the era and their place as originators within and outside a genre. With Sugar, Mould takes a piece of that and very much by design reallocates the noise and melody elements of the songs. Move the tonality to the front, and push the distortion back some, and spend a bit more time with the studio knobs.
So for a moment in time, Husker Du kicked a lot of ass, but once Mould moved along, it was almost as if he decided to grow up a bit and write some proper songs that still managed not to compromise his penchant for fuzz and abrasions, or writing blatant top 40 hits.
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Post by Galactus on Aug 30, 2005 10:28:28 GMT -5
I know it's very unpunk of me but I have a hard time listening to HD album becuase they're all mixed so badly, but they're recorded well which makes it even more annoying...if they had shit sound top to bottom I wouldn't have a problem.
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