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Post by Fuzznuts on May 17, 2007 12:50:18 GMT -5
A day. With about 750 people working it.
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Post by Ampage on May 17, 2007 19:46:33 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but here goes.
You CANNOT make excuses for smoking. Either you smoke or you do not.
Do not fall into that "had a bad day Daniel Powter" trap.
Just my worthless 2 cents.
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Post by wayved on May 17, 2007 22:59:28 GMT -5
I hate to admit it but Ampage is right, though I want to tell her to shut up. Shes a reformed ex-smoker. But shes right. Dammit.
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Post by wayved on May 17, 2007 23:06:46 GMT -5
maarts--is stocktake over? That really sounds like it sucks...
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Post by maarts on May 18, 2007 1:54:22 GMT -5
Nope. Tuesday the 29th is the big one, the day before we do the back room in which I work too.
BTW- isn't Amp male?
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Post by Ayinger on May 18, 2007 20:30:29 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but here goes. You CANNOT make excuses for smoking. Either you smoke or you do not. I can go for that on the onset but I do think there's something to say about the physical/mental addiction that nails most people with staying with the habit. A handful of people I know have done the 'cold turkey' deal and stuck with it but most,,,,,,,,, On the other hand, Amp IS bringing up a factor of willpower --- it's that attitude of "I'm NOT going to light up" and sticking to it that is the backbone of trying to kick. |
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Post by wayved on May 22, 2007 0:23:47 GMT -5
Is everyone doing ok here?
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Post by Paul on May 22, 2007 8:53:36 GMT -5
Doing alright, thank you for asking.
I had 3 smokes at the baseball game on Sunday, had one on Saturday, and none on Friday. Oh, and I didn't smoke yesterday.
I'm gonna see if this will power thing will last me till Friday. I'm going on a lengthy road trip this weekend, so I may have a few smokes while driving or chilling at a rest stop.
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Post by strat-0 on May 22, 2007 18:44:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm doing Ok too. Close to one month now. Been off the Chantix for a couple of weeks too. I can hardly believe it. It still sucks, probably always will. I've been having some pretty severe depression on and off. Never had that before.
As for the current topic - I think it mostly pertains to people who have been seriously hooked for a while. If you've ever been really addicted, then it's like booze to an alcoholic or H to a mainliner - you can't ever just "dabble" a little ever again. Just doesn't work that way. If you're one of those people who has never really developed the habit, you can get away with just smoking one or two once in a while. Be careful! It's a dangerous game!
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Post by KooL on May 22, 2007 18:55:05 GMT -5
I've got a friend who used to smoke almost 2 packs a day for over 15 years, and now only smokes when stressed out... or when he's having a cup of coffee. I don't think he smokes more than 5-6 cigarettes a week now, and he's been doing that for a couple of years. I wish I could do that, but knowing what kind of smoker I am, there's no way I could pull it off.
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Post by strat-0 on May 22, 2007 19:01:33 GMT -5
Well, there you go. Every individual is different, so it's hard to make general statements. Like you, Kool, I don't think I'll ever be able to do that. I also don't want to face the risk of getting hooked again. Maybe a few years down the road... It's just not worth the risk, when you're this close to the edge already.
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Post by wayved on May 23, 2007 0:09:27 GMT -5
yeah strat. Im with you. depression? That is unacceptable man. How you doin now?
I know alot of those drugs have that effect. thats why I wont do em. Heard enough stories.
For what its worth strat you are kicking ass! Are you feeling better? Sense of smell and taste improving? Can I say something without getting killed? I went to the gym yesterday and got on the treadmill and ran (it was too hot to run outside and live) and I felt awesome once it was over! I wasent struggling for breath--it felt great.
Ive been on Ice Breakers Spearmint still.
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Post by Paul on May 23, 2007 8:49:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm doing Ok too. Close to one month now. Been off the Chantix for a couple of weeks too. I can hardly believe it. It still sucks, probably always will. I've been having some pretty severe depression on and off. Never had that before. As for the current topic - I think it mostly pertains to people who have been seriously hooked for a while. If you've ever been really addicted, then it's like booze to an alcoholic or H to a mainliner - you can't ever just "dabble" a little ever again. Just doesn't work that way. If you're one of those people who has never really developed the habit, you can get away with just smoking one or two once in a while. Be careful! It's a dangerous game! I hear ya man. I'm no heavy smoker, and I can't really relate to bouts of depression and things like that over smokes. Although when I don't smoke the other stuff for a few days, I tend to get a bit moody/snappy. I kinda feel like that was directed towards me - like I'm going off topic b/c I'm only a light smoker or something. Anyway, I really want to stop for good. I smoked kinda regularly in college, and shortly after. I now just smoke now and then. Problem for me is I've been smoking since early high school. Sure it's been relatively light, but it's also been adding up for well over a decade now! I smoke so little that it truly is pointless for me to do it, but it's hard. Sometimes a fuckin' smoke just feels so right. I kinda feel like I'm on a big diet, as if I weighed 300 pounds. I'm now down to 200, and I'm trying to get those last few pesky 15 pounds to melt away. |
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Post by strat-0 on May 23, 2007 19:25:00 GMT -5
yeah strat. Im with you. depression? That is unacceptable man. How you doin now? I know alot of those drugs have that effect. thats why I wont do em. Heard enough stories. For what its worth strat you are kicking ass! Are you feeling better? Sense of smell and taste improving? Can I say something without getting killed? I went to the gym yesterday and got on the treadmill and ran (it was too hot to run outside and live) and I felt awesome once it was over! I wasent struggling for breath--it felt great. You said a lot right there, Glen. Let's see... Yeah, depression. I've never suffered from what I would call clinical depression before, but that's sure as hell what it seems like here. Maybe it's just some mid-life crisis thing. But the Zyban and some other smoking cessation drugs (Chantix) are basically just anti-depressants. It sucks that your insurance will pay for them if they're prescribed for mental health but not for smoking cessation. How fucked up is that? Thanks for the props, Glen. Still chipping away. Oh, yes - smell and taste are both way better (almost immediately), cough is about gone, I can already climb the stairs up and down to the creek without getting out of breath anymore -- and I haven't even started on my get-in-shape program yet! In a sick-O way, I get to enjoy rewards faster and more profoundly than some people do. Most of you cats are pretty young. Keep in mind - I've been smoking for 30 fucking years, and two packs a day for about the last 10. I had a serious hack and awful sinus troubles (just about gone), along with other miseries. And this is after only about one month tobacco-free. But you know what? It wasn't as hard or as painful as I feared. The Chantix got me over the hump, if I can just stay off the smokes. But I know it (the addiction) will knock at my door again. That's what I've been told, and I believe it. I just need to remember my father - "...There on the sad height." Yeah - my words have forked no lightening either. Hey Paul - it's cool. Light smokers can make comment too! I wasn't trying to invalidate what you're saying or anything like that. Just be careful, dude! |
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Post by RocDoc on May 24, 2007 13:11:50 GMT -5
But the Zyban and some other smoking cessation drugs (Chantix) are basically just anti-depressants.
Plus you haven't got nicotine tickling the pleasure centers that you were 'normally' scratching at 20-30-40 times a day...
Those pleasure centers are like, 'Oh man, wtf....whereTF is he and WHYTF is he PUNISHING us?'
You either have to substitute some other endorphin-producing activity (ie like exercise, GOOD relatively serioso exercise) or wait for those begging, pleading little endorphin receptor centers to very gradually stop their spoiled ways (reinforced by many 'pack-years' of fulfillment and satiety) and get accustomed to this new restricted diet they're now going to get.
Voila! Transitory depression.
Transitory.
I personally would choose door #1, and not try to wait for my body to just work itself through its misery...but then of course I've been onto regular working out since 1978, since I took my first health club job and saw 'Hey. I like this'
A 3rd choice is to go for some other low dosage anti-depressants, to take JUST til the feeling shitty just transitories itself right the fuck out the door.
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