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Post by phil on Mar 14, 2006 13:31:27 GMT -5
Wow dude - when you miss a point you REALLY miss a point. Wow dude - what is the point according to you ... ?? |
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Post by shin on Mar 14, 2006 14:00:13 GMT -5
Replace the word "abortion" with "smoking enduced lung cancer" and this becomes an interesting conversation. After all, you should never have smoked to begin with right? Not to mention the collection of cells growing inside you to be removed...
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Post by shin on Mar 14, 2006 14:06:48 GMT -5
Also, I don't see how any of this is giving Melon Hell. Can we get back on topic here?
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Post by maarts on Mar 14, 2006 14:31:35 GMT -5
No. I quite enjoy reading this convo! Some good points made making me think.
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Post by chrisfan on Mar 14, 2006 14:45:35 GMT -5
BTW neither my previous post was not directed at you, chrisfan - I don't think you're encouraging abstinence education or opposed to sex education. (though correct me if you are!) MThat's correct. I pretty much agree with what you've said about abstinence education. I believe that when it comes to sex education, you teach all the mechanics. I was simply correcting what Phil had said which I saw as erroneous. |
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Post by phil on Mar 14, 2006 14:45:57 GMT -5
HÉ ! The exact quote was :
And last time I looked, the U.S. education system
was not very opened to sex classes but I may be wrong ...
There is a world of difference between Sex Ed.
and biology class (i.e. how babies are made) ... !!
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Post by maarts on Mar 14, 2006 14:49:42 GMT -5
Just one quick question for you, Phil- when you say that the matter of abortion is between a woman and her doctor, where do you fit in the role/responsability of the father in this?
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Post by chrisfan on Mar 14, 2006 14:51:21 GMT -5
Phil, in my US public school education, I got sex ed in health class when I was in sixth grade. We learned how babies were made. In seventh grade, that was expanded to discuss birth control too. In eighth grade, they went beyond the mechanics to discuss the emotional aspects of human sexuality. In ninth grade, we covered pretty much the same things, but had examples of the various forms of birth control to pass around (only the diaphragm was a tennis ball cut in half and flipped inside out, because someone had stolen the example one the previous year) I had biology class for the first time in 10th grade. We covered reproduction there, but not very much -- because of health classes for the previous 4 years. I have never had any reason to believe that my school experience on the topic was all that much different than anywhere else in the US. So I'm not sure how ANYthing you've said in any way backs up the notion that the US educational system is not very open to sex classes.
There is a reason why parents of 5th/6th grade kids can say "They're seeing the movie today" and everyone knows what it means.
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Post by maarts on Mar 14, 2006 14:54:03 GMT -5
Chrisfan- did you during your public school education also get educated about homosexuality?
I went to school in the early eighties in Holland- it wasn't done then. It is now a part of sex.ed.-classes these days.
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Post by chrisfan on Mar 14, 2006 15:03:53 GMT -5
I don't remember maarts. I can remember discussing it in a class in high school, but i can't remember if it was health / sex ed, or if it was Quest - a generic relationship / self-esteem / easy A class that the health teacher also taught. So I'm not sure if it was covered as human sexuality, or as a matter of relating and being nice to everyone.
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Post by phil on Mar 14, 2006 15:13:22 GMT -5
Maarts ~ The short answer to your question would be to support whatever decision the woman makes ...
Of course, the role and responsabilities will vary
according to the degree of the relationship
but the final decision will rest with the woman ...
There is a big difference IMO between "making a baby"
and being a father ... !!
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Mar 14, 2006 19:43:50 GMT -5
Because whether people want to acknowledge it or not, that clump of cells we're sucking out is a life The clump of cells that is vacuumed out in an abortion is not a viable foetus & as such, not a 'life'. iThinking about the choice BEFORE having sex is the most important insurance you can have. If you sit down at the black jack table, you may win money. You also may lose money. You need to think about whether or not you can afford it BEFORE you put the chips downyeah, but when you play blackjack, theres a good chance you're gonna lose your money. Everyones a winner with a nice round of sex though, Chrisfan. Can you fake a blackjack win? No, no you can't. Do you really expect human beings to go "oh wait, hang on, I think I might put my dick back in my pants & NOT fuck you...you know, I don't want you to get pregnant because it would be such a horrible moral dilemma were you to abort that foetus. Lets decide NOW what we'd do if that happened" COME the fuck ON. Welcome to the real world, where humans make stupid mistakes. Those people who'd be lousy parents who've been mentioned up thread? Why are they sleeping around to begin with?Because they can't afford to hit the blackjack tables. What do YOU think? Why do YOU think potential lousy parents have sex? "look, you're really attractive & all, but I can't sleep with you because I doubt my parenting skills. Sorry." Why are potential lousy parents sleeping around at all? Because they're human maybe? JEEZ |
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 14, 2006 19:48:08 GMT -5
Here, Melon, have some hell.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 14, 2006 20:04:16 GMT -5
Blast you, Melon!
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Post by luke on Mar 14, 2006 21:28:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't get over "fo-etus"? Goddamn foreigners.
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