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Post by Proud on Aug 11, 2004 7:57:50 GMT -5
just imagine if Jimmy Carter Mr. Rogers was President.
it's a beautiful day in the nation...
do you ever get mad?
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 11, 2004 9:16:15 GMT -5
No.
'..."actively" trying to get injured by flying shrapnel'?
No, ya missed what I was trying to say.
You don't put yourself in harms way to get/acquire injuries like it's a fucking Merit Badge....but the story was that every time Kerry was even the least bit injured, he was inquiring 'Eh? Purple Heart-worthy, eh? Eh?'
I mean, the jungles in VietNam were a dangerous place...lotsa things could happen....
...with the foreknowledge that a certain number of that particular medal would be a 'Get Out Of VietNam Free'-card...
...and with the further foreknowledge that there was quite a fair degree of latitude as to what type of injury, battlefield or no, would qualify you for 'nomination' for a Purple Heart...
I mean after all, you can't run for Senate unqualifiedly while in your 20s without at least bunch of medals on your chest...NOR could you do that if you ended up face down in a rice paddy in SE Asia either.
He was ambitious and conniving...not stupid.
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Post by Ampage on Aug 11, 2004 9:18:24 GMT -5
And a weasel, don't forget weasel.
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Post by Meursault on Aug 11, 2004 9:21:03 GMT -5
If Bush was smart enough he would have done the same thing.  |
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Post by chrisfan on Aug 11, 2004 9:37:53 GMT -5
Totally unrelated to the current discussion, but I just wanted to share for any Bush supporters who care ... I had the opportunity yesterday to go to the town hall meeting the president did as part of his campaign swing. It was unbelievably incredible -- as my mom said "I sat there with the President of the United States for longer than I spend in church each week". Jeb was there too, which was just beyond cool for me. But the GOOD news, the BIG news that I have to share from the event is that Karen Hughes is back on the campaign trail ... a month earlier than originally planned. Coherent speech has arrived! :-)
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Post by Proud on Aug 11, 2004 9:39:42 GMT -5
i'm trying to decide what i'm going to do with the election.
i have a deal going with someone that if kerry wins i'll get drunk with him but if bush wins i'll do some sort of bodily harm to myself. not sure what it'll be.
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Post by Meursault on Aug 11, 2004 9:45:55 GMT -5
Either way i think you should get drunk ya lush.
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Post by Rit on Aug 11, 2004 9:56:04 GMT -5
yep, what Shane said. (and skip the bodily harm part altogether, Proud)
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Post by Galactus on Aug 11, 2004 11:47:54 GMT -5
Let's see then...
The guy who might've been alittle overly eager to leave the war and come home....
VS.
The guy who never went....he did however keep the shores of Texas VC free...
A guy that most of those who served under him have mostly good things to say about him, however some guys who know some guys that served with him don't like him...
VS.
The guy whose commanding officers and those who were in his squad (or whatever you 'd call it) don't remember him (which is quite odd as by most accounts he an extremely memorable kind of guy) and the majority of his military records were destroyed in a fire shortly after some questions about his exact role were brought up...
The guy who after coming home from the war started an activist group to protest what he saw as bad thing and tried to make a difference....even if a large part of the motivation might have been a future political career...
VS.
Stayed home drank and did alot of drugs...maybe
Yes, I can see how attacking Kerry's military record wouldn't be the best strategary in this election. There's reason Bush won't touch it...
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Post by chrisfan on Aug 11, 2004 14:23:59 GMT -5
DED, I think you forgot one ...
The guy who is running on his "heroic" record as a Vietnam Vet, although the degree of that heroism is being called into serious question
VS
The guy who freely admits that his military service was what he had to do and nothing more, and certainly not anything heroic compared to the heroic nature of so many vets, so he runs on things OTHER than his service record
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Post by Galactus on Aug 11, 2004 14:57:39 GMT -5
DED, I think you forgot one ... The guy who freely admits that his military service was what he had to do and nothing more, and certainly not anything heroic compared to the heroic nature of so many vets, so he runs on things OTHER than his service record I completely agree with the first part of that statement(even though some would argue he didn't even do that much)...though I'm far more conserned with Bush's "OTHER" then the exact nature of Kerry's heroism. |
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Post by shin on Aug 11, 2004 15:19:04 GMT -5
Hooray for semantics!
If Purple Hearts are given away so easily, maybe that's a problem with the standard by which the military gives them away. I still think that when you consider that a few feet in another direction, Kerry could have been killed should give some validity to getting a Purple Heart or two.
If the goal was to get out of Vietnam, why not just use his family connections? And how does he wind up winning a Silver Star? I mean...the narrative that this is presenting just doesn't fit logically. He would have just, you know, had his parents get him into the Alabama National Guard. *quack*
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Post by shin on Aug 11, 2004 15:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 11, 2004 15:57:25 GMT -5
What? Opt out through family influence and coersion and be forced to drop 'highly principled VietNam Hero' from his resume? Somewhere 30 years ago, decided that this sort of contrivance was just fine for him...insisting that at LEAST one of his scratches was Purple Heart 'material'... "He had a little scratch on his forearm, and he was holding a piece of shrapnel," recalled Kerry's commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard. "People in the office were saying, `I don't think we got any fire,' and there is a guy holding a little piece of shrapnel in his palm." Hibbard said he couldn't be certain whether Kerry actually came under fire on Dec. 2, 1968, the date in questionand that is why he said he asked Kerry questions about the matter.
But Kerry persisted and, to his own "chagrin," Hibbard said, he dropped the matter. "I do remember some questions, some correspondence about it," Hibbard said. "I finally said, `OK, if that's what happened . . . do whatever you want.' After that, I don't know what happened. Obviously, he got it, I don't know how."
advisoryopinion.typepad.com/blog/2004/04/john_kerry_war_.htmlHe obviously knew AND was working the system...for THAT he can't be blamed. Trying to put some 'points' on the board. But the disingenuousness is what's bullshit. ~ It walks like a duck, eh? So it does. ~ Cool stuff Chrisfan!  |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 11, 2004 17:36:38 GMT -5
It starts off just a bit lame, but it finishes pretty strong...
Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road?
GEORGE W BUSH
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road.
We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not.
Our side of the road is the right side of the road and the chicken is either against us or for us. There is no middle ground for any chicken.
COLIN POWELL
Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of
the chicken crossing the road.
DONALD RUMSFELD
I have known about the chicken crossing the road for several months.
I was investigating why the chicken moved but didn't feel it was necessary to
alert anyone.
HANS BLIX
We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been
allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
JOHN KERRY
Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road I am now against it!
RALPH NADER
The chicken's habitat on the other side of the road had been polluted by
unchecked industrial greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled
habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels
of a gas-guzzling SUV.
PAT BUCHANAN
To steal the job of a decent, hard-working American.
RUSH LIMBAUGH
I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was
getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet that somebody
out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road
syndrome. Can you believe this?How much more of this can real Americans
take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars. And when
I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took
from you to build road for chickens to cross.
MARTHA STEWART
No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a
standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price
dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any inside information.
DR SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes, the chicken crossed the road,
but why it crossed I've not been told.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY
To die in the rain. Alone.
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR
I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without
having their motives called into question.
GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told
us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
BARBARA WALTERS
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the
chicken tell, for the first time, the heartwarming story of how it
experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its life
long dream of crossing the road.
JOHN LENNON
Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together...... in peace.
ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
KARL MARX
It was a historic inevitability.
CAPTAIN KIRK
To boldly go where no chicken has ever gone before.
SIGMUND FREUD
The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road
reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.
BILL GATES
I have just witnessed eChicken2004, which will not only cross roads,
but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your
checkbook... and Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken.
ALBERT EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the
chicken?
BILL CLINTON
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken.
What is your definition of chicken?
AL GORE
That was my chicken! I invented the chicken.
COLONEL SANDERS
Did I miss one?
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