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artknocker said:

Hmmm...someone just doesn't want to face facts.

This is where I stopped reading the post.

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USA! USA! USA!

[Galactus]

But because to claim that this coverage makes them conservative implies that being pro-America is a conservative value. It isn't, is it?

Well no, not in the sense that being liberal implies anti-americanism.

[chrisfan]

ded said:

But because to claim that this coverage makes them conservative implies that being pro-America is a conservative value. It isn't, is it?

Well no, not in the sense that being liberal implies anti-americanism.

I'm not aware of anywhere i've made the claim that CNN is liberal because they're anti-American. Actually, I'm not aware that I've explained why I see CNN as liberal.

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They all fucking lie anyway. And they're all lied to. So what's the difference?

[Galactus]

chrisfan said:

ded said:

Well no, not in the sense that being liberal implies anti-americanism.

I'm not aware of anywhere i've made the claim that CNN is liberal because they're anti-American. Actually, I'm not aware that I've explained why I see CNN as liberal.

No, you didn't. If the implication is that pro-american is conservative then adversely liberalism would be anti-american, no? In that context it is a false statment.

[chrisfan]

ded said:

chrisfan said:

I'm not aware of anywhere i've made the claim that CNN is liberal because they're anti-American. Actually, I'm not aware that I've explained why I see CNN as liberal.

No, you didn't. If the implication is that pro-american is conservative then adversely liberalism would be anti-american, no? In that context it is a false statment.

I can see your logic ... I just don't see where it is relevant to the point being made.

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I don't think this is a current event.

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I mean you're just having a discussion now about which news stations lead which way, and which one you like to watch.

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Anyone who thinks CNN and MSNBC is liberal simply has not been watching them. Especially CNN.

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I currently rely on MTV news for all my up to date, minute to minute coverage of the Iraqi war.

[Galactus]

chrisfan said:

ded said:

No, you didn't. If the implication is that pro-american is conservative then adversely liberalism would be anti-american, no? In that context it is a false statment.

I can see your logic ... I just don't see where it is relevant to the point being made.

Then guide me back to the point being made becuase I seem to have lost it.

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DED! Never ending semantics loop! Abort abort abort!

[Mary]

chrisfan said:

I can understand why people see Fox as a conservative network. I can without question see why they view Sinclair stations as conservative as well. I can totally see the conservative slant to the Wall Street Journal and Washington Times as well. What I DON'T understand is how so many of the same people who jump to call each of these conservative look at CNN, the New York Times, or PBS and say "They aren't liberal". They either all have a slant or they don't. THere's no conservative bias with a total absence of the equivilent on the liberal side.

Because it depends not only on the general viewpoint of the station but also on the general viewpoint of the viewer. There is no absolute, objective dividing point between "left" and "right" - it is all relative to things like your historical moment and your place of residence, etc etc. I can understand why CNN might seem "liberal" to someone who is an American right-winger - but I can't imagine it seems particularly "liberal" to Ralph Nader, and it certainly has never struck me as liberal. Keep in mind I think most Democrats are moderate conservatives, and I think, outside of a few marginalized and borderline invisible pockets of activism, there's virtually no left wing to speak of in America.

That's just a short answer. The fact that CNN seems liberal to anybody just tells me how far to the right this counry's entirely ideological spectrum is shifted.

Cheers,
M

[Topdog]

I don't see it so much as "shifted left" or "shifted right". The way I see the political landscape in America is divided. I don't see much in the way of cooperation or compromise. IMO it seems no one is willing to take the middle ground anymore and speak up for moderation and common sense.

I find it rather ironic and a bit sad that television media pundits claim that talk radio is right wing conservative with the exception of NPR and talk radio pundits claim that television media is left wing liberal with the exception of FOX news.

IMO no one is seriously talking about major issues such as immigration, taxation, Social Security, "Homeland Security" (which is laughable) etc. and if any serious issue does come up the pundits and politicians are all ready to take the gloves off and point fingers instead of working out real answers.