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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 10, 2005 11:35:17 GMT -5
Microevolution IS evolution. That's why I keep asking you if you even fucking know what it means. Again: And shin, will you please stop with the stupid "what is evolution" The problem with the neo-darwinists is they desperately try to use ANY form of change to prove Macroevolution. It doesn't fly! |
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Post by Galactus on Nov 10, 2005 11:43:25 GMT -5
Ha I know what you mean, if I were a creationist I'd counter it with...what the hell would I counter it with?
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 10, 2005 11:45:47 GMT -5
Ok but the orginal claim was that you were a creationist, wasn't it? But you just seem to not agree with certain aspects of evolution...I'm sure you beleive in god but what I think Shin was looking for was someone who could explain how creationists want ID to be taught in the science classroom, not how we could better teach evolution. There is alot of geological and archaeological evidence, not too mention the human genome and mapping/migration research out there that really punches holes in the theory of "from the beginning evolution". The fact that modern horse remains have been found alongside older species for one. Cambrian Fossils dating 500-600 million years that seem to appeared suddenly. Bone Beds are very interesting too, they seem to correlate with a flood type disaster. NOT Noah's flood either, an earlier flood. (i.e. GAP Theory). The shifting of the earth's crust, finding palm tree stumps on mountaintops, finding perfectly preserved butter cups buried alongside a frozen mammoth. There are many things out there that correlate with the old creationist/GAP theory. |
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 10, 2005 11:49:52 GMT -5
And Lucy......oh yes Lucy....another blatant lie! I suppose it must have been rather rough on her being that they found those "supposed" bones sprawled miles apart. She must have felt really awful falling apart like that. Not to mention she was a knuckle walker.  |
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2005 11:53:37 GMT -5
"Lucy" probaly had more brain cells than you !!
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 10, 2005 11:57:06 GMT -5
"Lucy" probaly had more brain cells than you !! Phil, you have put absolutely no argument up yet that has panned out. Only insults. The fact that an early written account of genetic selective breeding, the ice age/katabole, dinosaurs, and many other things are written in the Bible must really pull your strings I guess. |
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Post by shin on Nov 10, 2005 14:24:03 GMT -5
Dee, you don't deserve anything more than insults. You are the dumbest person on these boards by a long shot. There's no point in pretending otherwise when you say that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible.
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Post by Galactus on Nov 10, 2005 14:33:10 GMT -5
I had a minister once argue with me that the dinosuars never existed and his proof was that they are never mentioned in Bible...so which is it?
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2005 14:43:46 GMT -5
Careful with your questions guys ...
We're about to get flooded with chapters and verses
of vague descriptions of sea monsters, flying dragons
and other fabulous animals ...
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Post by luke on Nov 10, 2005 14:45:25 GMT -5
www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/iconob.htmlThere you go, Tuatha. Read up. That FAQ explains why everything you've been saying about -Miller-Urey -Peppered Moths -Horses is complete bullshit. I'm sure you could come up with more examples, and I'm sure I could point you to sources of actual science that basically tell you the same things over and over: the creationist viewpoint was reached by lazy research, outdated sources, and an agenda. Behe, Wells, Hovind...these men are ignorant pseudoscientists and borderline nut-cases (especially Hovind!) If creationism is a science, it's a science of distortion. A science of distorting facts and misconstruing information. It's a bunch of nonsense. There's nothing wrong with being a Christian or believing in God or any of that stuff. It may even be right. What's wrong is trying to distort science to further a narrow, nonsensical viewpoint. The problem with creationists is that they have an agenda. They view "evolutionists" as some sort of enemy to be defeated. But the "evolutionists" just view the creationists as ignorant or quacky. It's a one-sided feud. If the ID science held up, it would be commonly accepted. "Evolutionists" DO NOT HAVE AN AGENDA. They want to know how the world works. That is the way of science. There is no conspiracy, there is no hidden truth. "Creationism" isn't to science what something like the Dead Sea Scrolls could be to Catholicism. Because scientists don't work that way. If there were any truth to all that creationist nonsense, popular science would embrace it. There would be absolutely no reason for them not to. It's not like there's some nation of scientists who have to defend their principles from the powers of conspiracy. Scientists are searching for the truth. They don't have some secret agenda to wipe out religion. This is not a debate like Left vs. Right or Conservative vs. Liberal. Those are ideologies. With Creationism vs. "Evolutionism", there are no opinions. Creationism is a silly distortion of real science. It's an embarrassment to those who support it, which is why we've been seeing the Catholics speak out against it of late.
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2005 14:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 10, 2005 14:58:46 GMT -5
Dee, you don't deserve anything more than insults. You are the dumbest person on these boards by a long shot. There's no point in pretending otherwise when you say that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. Well then I guess Scientific American must be really stupid too eh? January 26, 2004 Becoming Behemoth How to put the rex into Tyrannosaurus By Kate Wong www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00075F12-D550-1FF8-90AE83414B7F0000 |
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2005 15:01:59 GMT -5
Well... Now I'm convinced !! Modern Evidence
There is a growing body of evidence that dinosaurs and humans were contemporary. In 1970 newspapers reported the discovery of cave paintings in Zimbabwe. The paintings were made by bushmen who ruled that area from about 1500 B.C., until a couple of hundred years ago.
Along with accurate representations of the elephant and the giraffe, is a painting of an Apatosaurus (brontosaurus). These art works have greatly puzzled scientists since bushmen are known to have painted from real life! (Bible-Science Newsletter, April 15, 1970, p. 2).
About seventy years ago, Dr. Samuel Hubbard, curator of archaeology in the Oakland (California) Museum, discovered dinosaur carvings on the cliff walls of the Hava Supai Canyon in Arizona. One remarkable carving resembles a Tyrannosaurus. Nearby, dinosaur tracks were preserved in the rock surface. (For a picture of this carving, see our book, The Mythology of Modern Geology, 1990 edition, p. 31.)
www.christiancourier.com/archives/dinosaurs.htm |
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2005 15:12:27 GMT -5
The article TDD just posted the link to
is a written advertisement for ...
the... EVOLUTION THEORY !!
My guess is she stopped reading after the title ...
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Post by Galactus on Nov 10, 2005 15:19:21 GMT -5
Dee, you don't deserve anything more than insults. You are the dumbest person on these boards by a long shot. There's no point in pretending otherwise when you say that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. Well then I guess Scientific American must be really stupid too eh? January 26, 2004 Becoming Behemoth How to put the rex into Tyrannosaurus By Kate Wong www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00075F12-D550-1FF8-90AE83414B7F0000...you didn't actually read this article did you? |
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