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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 13:57:31 GMT -5
Phil, do you know what the climate is in Israel in the winter time? Do you know the difference between the climate in Egypt and Israel in the Winter time?
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 13:59:00 GMT -5
It's a historic, indisputable fact that Christmas was placed in December to overshadow pagan holidays. Luke, you should really do some deeper research. You would be surprised what you might learn. |
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 27, 2005 14:01:34 GMT -5
He's right though. The Christians couldn't get people to stop celebrating Saturnalia because it was so ingrained, so they just changed the meaning of the celebration and turned it into a Christian holiday. It's extremely well documented. Do Christian scholars even really dispute this?
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Post by Galactus on Dec 27, 2005 14:02:01 GMT -5
It's a historic, indisputable fact that Christmas was placed in December to overshadow pagan holidays. Luke, you should really do some deeper research. You would be surprised what you might learn. I did quite of bit of research on the topic over the holidays and found that Luke is correct. |
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Post by Galactus on Dec 27, 2005 14:04:17 GMT -5
Well, "overshadow" might not be the right word, but they were expressly designed to co-opt celebrations that already took place in areas that Chriatianity had recently spread to.
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 14:04:40 GMT -5
Rocky, there is a bit more to it than this though. You can indeed date the birth of Christ if you do some simple math. And the conception would be around December 25th. It is not that hard to comprehend that the solstices were used in the Bible as well as Pagan traditions to mark certain events. The seasons, and astronomy are referenced in the Bible often.
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 14:08:15 GMT -5
I could go into a very long explanation concerning the Passover and Easter as well. The word Easter in the new testament is indeed the Passover. In Biblical times it was celebrated EXACTLY the same time every year by the use of a 'solar' calendar. Today it falls on a different day every year. And YES many pagan rites have unfortunately slipped into this sacred holiday. It is a shame indeed!
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Post by phil on Dec 27, 2005 14:09:52 GMT -5
Phil, do you know what the climate is in Israel in the winter time?
I wanted to hear about the weather in Israël
2000 years ago from you ...
Do you know the difference between the climate in Egypt and Israel in the Winter time?
HÉ ! I've been to both countries in december ...
It was a JOKE !!
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Post by rockysigman on Dec 27, 2005 14:11:32 GMT -5
I could go into a very long explanation concerning the Passover and Easter as well. The word Easter in the new testament is indeed the Passover. In Biblical times it was celebrated EXACTLY the same time every year by the use of a 'solar' calendar. Today it falls on a different day every year. And YES many pagan rites have unfortunately slipped into this sacred holiday. It is a shame indeed! Yes, and we all know the Last Supper was a Passover sedar. Everyone knows the connection between Passover and Easter. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the date of Christ's birth. And a "solar" calendar is what we use today. You're thinking of a "lunar" calendar. |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Dec 27, 2005 14:16:22 GMT -5
People actually really think that Jesus was born in December still? I thought that went out with discovering that the world wasn't flat anymore.
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Post by phil on Dec 27, 2005 14:17:39 GMT -5
5 DAY FORECAST for Jerusalem ...
Partly cloudy today ... !!
Tuesday
55°F (13°C) | 40°F (4°C)
Wednesday
57°F (14°C) | 41°F (5°C)
Thursday
61°F (16°C) | 45°F (7°C)
Friday
66°F (19°C) | 51°F (11°C)
Saturday
66°F (19°C) | 48°F (9°C)
Now was is it they were doing with their sheeps in december ... ??
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 14:18:29 GMT -5
Rocky, they did not use a lunar calendar in Biblical times.
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 14:21:15 GMT -5
The lunar calendar was used by the Babylonians.
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Post by Nepenthe on Dec 27, 2005 14:22:40 GMT -5
5 DAY FORECAST for Jerusalem ... Partly cloudy today ... !! Tuesday 55°F (13°C) | 40°F (4°C) Wednesday 57°F (14°C) | 41°F (5°C) Thursday 61°F (16°C) | 45°F (7°C) Friday 66°F (19°C) | 51°F (11°C) Saturday 66°F (19°C) | 48°F (9°C) Now was is it they were doing with their sheeps in december ... ?? Phil, what happens to the grass in the winter time? Do you honestly think sheep would graze dead dried up brown grass? |
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Post by phil on Dec 27, 2005 14:24:18 GMT -5
HÉ ! Guess what ! It's 57° F right now in Cairo ... Two degrees higher than Jerusalem !! I guess Tudeda was right after all ...  Now ... How'bout those sheeps ?? |
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