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Post by phil on Nov 24, 2006 11:17:51 GMT -5
Sorry guys ! I find it pwetty hard to focus on politics with r.i.t.'s splendid avatar stuck in the corner of my eye ...  Chantal Hébert is always level-headed, which is rare these days ... |
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Post by phil on Nov 24, 2006 11:19:20 GMT -5
Darn ! My last post turned the page ...
R.I.T. !! Get your(and specialy her's)ass here pronto !!
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Post by Dr. Drum on Nov 24, 2006 11:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by phil on Nov 24, 2006 14:20:47 GMT -5
And the point is ... ?
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Post by Dr. Drum on Nov 26, 2006 8:33:49 GMT -5
Phil – Every indication now is that there’s an overwhelming consensus, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, around this word – nation. Everyone has a lot invested in it. I’m just struck at how much less that appears to have been the case as little as two years ago.
With the Bloc now supporting the Conservative motion, though, the thing in Parliament is getting a bit farcical, don't you think?
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Liberal leadership – under a week to go.... Fifty Rileybuck$ says the final ballot will come down to a choice between Bob Rae and Stéphane Dion. Any takers?
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Post by phil on Nov 26, 2006 10:03:49 GMT -5
Well, I don't think the québécois make a difference between being a nation and a distinct society ... 42% said that Québec is "A province that is a distinct society within Canada" and another 33% called Québec a "nation" within or without Canada ... Only 21% said that we were "One of 10 equal provinces" ... Oh ! and 4% were like me and said, "I couldn't care less ! Just tell me where to send my income tax provisions". That being said, once you read Junior's big buddy motion carefuly, you understand that it means absolutely nothing ! It only recognize the individual french-speaking québécois as being part of a distinct nation ... That motion says nothing about Québec as a social or political entity ... Nice try Stevee ...  I care so much(NOT!)about this story that I didn't even bother to find out the reactions to it in the R.O.C. ... I suppose everybody in the West embraced the idea warmly ...  |
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Post by phil on Nov 26, 2006 10:09:17 GMT -5
Same goes for the Liberal idiots !
They're still in the doghouse as far as I'm concerned ...
I'm still fuming about the way they gave the power
to the Con-forms over their abuse of said power !!
Stéphane Dion has as much chances to win this thing
as the proverbial "snow ball in hell" ...
Nobody in Ontario wants Bob Rae ...
Take your pick ! I don't give a damn !!
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Post by phil on Nov 26, 2006 13:39:11 GMT -5
Just for the hell of it, I'll see your 50 Riley's bucks and raise you another 50 Canadian Tires'with Ignatieff and Kennedy in my corner... If I win, you'll have to buy a Beau Dommage compilation ... |
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Post by Dr. Drum on Nov 27, 2006 7:21:16 GMT -5
You've got yourself a deal, Phil – but to even it up, if I'm right, you have to buy a Figgy Duff disc. Not sure what we do, if we end splitting the difference, though, i.e. – Iggy v. Dion, Rae v. Kennedy, etc.  On the rest, I expect you're right that a lot of the same people who would've once opted for distinct society are now saying "nation" but do you really think they're not making a distinction? I mean, you may be right, but the reason "distinct society" was dreamt up in the first place was to avoid all the connotations of sovereignty that are wrapped up in the word "nation". |
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Post by phil on Nov 27, 2006 7:29:21 GMT -5
You've got yourself a deal, Phil – but to even it up, if I'm right, you have to buy a Figgy Duff disc. Not sure what we do, if we end splitting the difference, though, i.e. – Iggy v. Dion, Rae v. Kennedy, etc. HÉ ! It's still your two stooges against mines ... Et que le "meilleur" gagne !  !
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Post by Dr. Drum on Nov 27, 2006 9:46:02 GMT -5
Hey, I wouldn't qualify for anything beyond observer status at a Liberal convention, so they're not my two stooges. I'll tell you how I get to Rae vs. Dion, though. Ignatieff's damaged goods – I don't even think the substance necessarily matters anymore. Liberals now think they can beat Harper in the next election. Iggy's displayed a talent for getting himself in trouble that would absolutely kill them if it happened in an election campaign. I think he'll plateau on the second ballot and start to shrink from there. It could even be more like hitting a wall on the 2nd, if he's scared off enough ex-officios and delegates who were formally committed to voting for him on the first ballot.
Rae has been very adept at positioning himself, in contrast to Ignatieff, as the steady hand on the tiller. He's been posting good polling numbers from Ontario that suggest that voters there – if not Ontario Liberal Party members – are willing to overlook his days as premier. He will do well in B.C. and Atlantic Canada and from this end, it looks like he will at least get a hearing in Quebec. I think he will absolutely kill my party if he becomes leader. There will be an Anybody but Rae movement and he'll have to carefully stitch together a win at the convention, but that seems to be the way his campaign has been running since day one anyway.
The other side of the equation is a bit of a toss-up. Kennedy and Dion are going to finish 3-4 on the first ballot. In fact, Kennedy could very well finish 3rd. It looks like there's probably going to be some kind of agreement between the two of them that whoever is eventually forced to drop off will endorse the other. Dion gets a lot of respect among Liberals for his intellect and the way he carries himself. Ken Dryden will probably go to him either before the vote or once he's forced off after the first ballot. The Globe and Mail actually endorsed him the other day. It could be very tight between Dion and Kennedy for a bit, but 'gravitas' and experience has to count for something.
Moreover, Kennedy has the additional problem of being uniligual English. When push comes to shove, I figure there are limits to how far Liberals are going to go in backing a guy who can't communicate with Quebecers and other French-speaking Canadians in their own language.
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Post by phil on Dec 1, 2006 9:40:36 GMT -5
So far so good in the Liberal Leadership race ...
Everything is in english only ... !!
I'm starting to wonder what the fuck we're still doing here there !!
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Post by Dr. Drum on Dec 1, 2006 9:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by phil on Dec 2, 2006 13:55:10 GMT -5
Michael Ignatieff : 31,5%
Bob Rae : 24%.
Stéphane Dion : 20,7%
Gerard Kennedy : 18%
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Post by phil on Dec 2, 2006 14:49:55 GMT -5
My prediction is ...
Stéphane Dion in the 4th round !
After that, the PLC is in Québec's doghouse
for the next 12 years ...
LoL !!
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