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Post by shin on Jun 1, 2006 15:19:00 GMT -5
Not one post about the freshly painted schools, Chrisfan? I'm extremely disappointed. You're taking the liberal media's bait.
But anyway, I wonder how many incidents like this (not massacres per se, just stuff like Abu Ghraib, killed journalists and soldier IED deaths) are going to have to happen, and for how long, until the collective narrative of both the average person AND the media really reaches an agreed level where even the fierce shrieks of right wing noise machine and the black-is-white proclimations of this administration combined couldn't drown them out. I think the general population is well ahead of the media in terms of understand just how much of a total clusterfuck this is, how this administration has lied and how badly a serious criminal investigation of the pre-war intelligence manipulation is needed, but the media is slow to investigate this sort of thing; it doesn't really fit the established narrative. And until that happens, the true political pressure won't be there to incite real change.
I fear that something massive, like a huge strike on a large cluster of troops like with Beirut, is what it's going to take for everyone, EVERYONE, to finally agree that this has been long lost and we need to either get out totally or get COMPLETELY fucking serious, not this "we've turned a corner" bullshit. And by then, it will be long too late.
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Post by Dr. Drum on Jun 2, 2006 4:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 2, 2006 9:35:27 GMT -5
Assuming the allegations are true (I personally see no reason why they shouldn't be - but ya never know), then the "percentage of condemnation", as it was put, most certainly should not come from the guilty party's fellow men, that is, us (or to put it in a diplomatic term, the "US"), but rather, this condemnation should be bestowed upon them by none other than God, or that force which the term "God" represents.
i.e, "Let God sort them out", as the saying goes.
Personally, as much as I'd want these soldiers to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, I'm afraid I harbor reservations about the entire friggin mess, which when factored into these wartime atrocities (part & parcel of the business), rather cancel out the finer sensibilities otherwise reserved for fair & balanced judgements on our behalf.
This is only to say: The "Haditha Massacre", I feel, is tragically but a microcosm of the entire Iraq War Fiasco itself. This is but a hint pointing an index finger that should be admonishing us to reconsider the entire kit & kaboodle over there. (Instead we hungrily circle like self righteous vultures for the prosecution)
For instance, rather than "feeding the loop" of violence which is possessing a good portion of the human soul during these dark times (by relishing the "percentage of condemnation" these troubled men are due), perhaps we should be getting "bitch slapped awake" and consider this a "news flash" from on high that things. have. gotten. out of hand.
I'm not suggesting these young men should go unpunished; far from it. Obviously we have a legal system and the Law will not go unchallenged. That is as it should be.
What I'm saying is: If this incident doesn't serve to wake us up to the ever tightening downward spiral that an unjust war wrenches down upon our souls, then I'm afraid no such incident ever shall.
The Haditha Massacre overtly reveals that the true "guilty parties" in this debacle could not possibly be restricted to one side or the other ("Us" or "Them").
The Haditha Massacre subtly reveals the true debacle that our president has engendered with his ill -reasoned war. It reflects the ineffectiveness of the entire operation.
The Haditha Massacre is more than a "setback": it reveals what this War Campaign of Mr. Bush's really is: a fiasco.
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(For reasons including the abovementioned, I have refrained from voting in this poll)
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Post by shin on Jun 20, 2006 23:53:04 GMT -5
It's clear that the majority of people here don't appreciate nuance. Sad.
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