PEW proves we have a soul

[pauledwardwagemann]

kenholzman said:

So where's this proof of soul at? I answered the fucking questions (I'm in a really bad mood today, and this ain't helping), now I want my soul.

Preferably cooked in a nice lemon-pepper glaze. With rice and salsa on the side.

Why are you in such a bad mood?

[shin]

You're not going to convince us that your kid is the cutest kid ever, Paulie, so this is all sort of pointless.

[pauledwardwagemann]

You could easily argue that everything on an internet message board pointless...although I do see some entertainment value in some of the stuff, and its also a good way to explore topics and be informed...besides if you think its so pointless, youre awfully damn lucky, because there's a cure for that: Don't read it.

[Kensterberg]

So where's this proof of soul thingy?

I've got an appointment to sell mine tonight, but the dude wants proof that it actually exists before he pays for it. I've got to sign some sort of contract in red ink (he didn't really say blood, did he?), and then all the good stuff is mine. He says I'll never know it's missing.

So c'mon already! I've got Porsches to drive, women to see, all this without the excess baggage of my "eternal soul" ... at least once Mr. Luke E. Pher seals the deal.

;D

[pauledwardwagemann]

kenholzman said:

So where's this proof of soul thingy?

I've got an appointment to sell mine tonight, but the dude wants proof that it actually exists before he pays for it. I've got to sign some sort of contract in red ink (he didn't really say blood, did he?), and then all the good stuff is mine. He says I'll never know it's missing.

So c'mon already! I've got Porsches to drive, women to see, all this without the excess baggage of my "eternal soul" ... at least once Mr. Luke E. Pher seals the deal.

;D

Are you still in a bad mood?

[frag]

Ken, I think you've been duped.

[Galactus]

Does his soul exist any less if he's in a bad mood?

[strat-0]

You could just as well try to explain commercial fishing to a tuna ... it is beyond the (apparent) ability of the tuna to understand why Charlie was here a moment ago, and now he's been pulled out of the water and is gone forever. Even there, however, the tuna has the ability to percieve that a foreign being is acting on his fellow fish, and that Charlie is gone and not coming back. Our hypothetical tuna could well learn that when certain conditions are met, it is much more likely that such unwanted incursions to his world are more or less likely to occur. Given sufficient inteligence, the tuna could one day learn what is going on around them not through devine revelation but because they are living in the same world as we, and are governed by the same physical laws/forces.

LOL, Ken! Classic!

The evidence is that mankind has evolved consciousness. Everything that exists in the universe comes from the big bang. This includes consciousness.

The BUILDING BLOCKS of everything that exists come from the Big Bang (and successive supernovae afterwards). Are you positing that a carbon atom has consciousness? 'Cause that's pretty wacky, dude!

I noticed that Tuatha popped in today after a long absence. (Hi, HMF!) I wonder if she put PEW up to this stuff or if she's been lurking all this time, just waiting for Ken to mis-state something. Talk about your "gotcha" politics!

I was brought up on a side street
Learned how to love before I could eat
I was educated for good stock
When I start lovin', I just can't stop

I'm a soul man
I'm a soul man
I'm a soul man
I'm a soul man

HOOUH!!

[pauledwardwagemann]

ded said:

Does his soul exist any less if he's in a bad mood?

Is this a trick question?

admin said:

The evidence is that mankind has evolved consciousness. Everything that exists in the universe comes from the big bang. This includes consciousness.

The BUILDING BLOCKS of everything that exists comes from the Big Bang (and successive supernovae afterwards). Are you positing that a carbon atom has consciousness? 'Cause that's pretty wacky, dude!

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Man has consciousness. Everything that makes man up comes from the Big Bang.
Do you think it is possible for something that has created everything (big bang )not to have something that it itself created (conscioussness)? If so, then explain...

[Galactus]

pauledwardwagemann said:

To get started on this, I need anyone who wants to participate to answer a few simple questions:

~Do you refute the evidence that the universe is in motion?

~Do you refute that all matter in the universe (which includes the matter that makes up man) derives from the big bang?

~Do you refute that a force greater than man governs the matter in our universe (and since man is made up of matter, this means this matter also governs the matter in man)

~Do you think that that those laws of physics that govern our universe are contained only within our universe, or could forces outside our universe be affecting them?

~Is our universe defined only by what mankind can percieve and deduce of it?

~Do you refute that the force, energy, spark (whatever you want to call it) that caused the Big Bang and set the universe in motion is responsible for the laws of physics that govern matter in our universe?

~Is it possible that since man has consciousness, and that all tht matter that eixsts in mankind which has gone to create his consciousness is also available in the universe? And the fact that it came from the universe that that at least opens the possibility that the universe itself could have consciousness?

Are these yes or no questions or are we supposed to get all wordy like ken?

[Galactus]

pauledwardwagemann said:

ded said:

Does his soul exist any less if he's in a bad mood?

Is this a trick question?

Ok, I'll say "yes"?

[pauledwardwagemann]

ded said:

pauledwardwagemann said:

To get started on this, I need anyone who wants to participate to answer a few simple questions:

~Do you refute the evidence that the universe is in motion?

~Do you refute that all matter in the universe (which includes the matter that makes up man) derives from the big bang?

~Do you refute that a force greater than man governs the matter in our universe (and since man is made up of matter, this means this matter also governs the matter in man)

~Do you think that that those laws of physics that govern our universe are contained only within our universe, or could forces outside our universe be affecting them?

~Is our universe defined only by what mankind can percieve and deduce of it?

~Do you refute that the force, energy, spark (whatever you want to call it) that caused the Big Bang and set the universe in motion is responsible for the laws of physics that govern matter in our universe?

~Is it possible that since man has consciousness, and that all tht matter that eixsts in mankind which has gone to create his consciousness is also available in the universe? And the fact that it came from the universe that that at least opens the possibility that the universe itself could have consciousness?

Are these yes or no questions or are we supposed to get all wordy like ken?

Dont pick on poor Ken--he's in a bad mood...

kenholzman said:

~Do you refute the evidence that the universe is in motion? Which evidence? I object to this question as overbroad and insufficiently specific so as to produce a reasonably concise and specific answer.

Einstein's theory of relativity established the relationship between matter, space, time and gravity--Einstein predicted either an expanding or contracting universe. In 1929 Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were, indeed, receding from the earth, and the further away they were, the faster they were moving.
On a smaller scale we can watch the moon and stars all night and see that they are in motion in relation to the earth. Or we can also turn our head from side to side or run down the street and realize that we too are in motion. In otherwords the universe is not frozen in time. It is in motion.

[kmc]

It has been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there are only a few things in this universe that predate the Big Bang. The major entity still left from before the creation event is known as Galactus. There are other entities as well, but they are minor when compared to Galactus.

If Galactus exists (proven. I have recent books with pictures of him) then by extension, souls exist, since Galactus has a somewhat benevolent soul (again, proven). Therefore, souls exist.

Board closed. Thank you very much.

[strat-0]

You forgot the properties of light and velocity, among other things, PEW. Actually, gravity has been a sticky wicket for Einstein and those who have followed. We know for certain that classical, Newtonian gravitational theory works, but tying it into the grand unified theory (GUT) that physicists seek is still a holy grail.

So it's in motion, eh? I suspected as much. 'Cause when this real bright light in the west follows me around at about dusk, it doesn't matter how fast I drive, it just keeps up with me, wherever I go. It dogs me. Somebody told me it was just the planet Venus, but I think it's extra terrestrials that want to take me up to the mother ship. It's frightening.

[Galactus]

This is proof enough for me.