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Post by Rit on Jul 23, 2005 10:46:32 GMT -5
hi Jac, i posted before i saw your greeting.
how's things?
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Post by Rit on Jul 23, 2005 10:50:10 GMT -5
how ever, Mary's pointing out of the allegiance between Pyrrhonianism and Catholic dogma is a deviation, isn't it? one organized structure embracing a potentially rivalling stream of thought, and therefore dulling its potential edge.
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Post by Rit on Jul 23, 2005 10:53:49 GMT -5
i read all about the Catholic role in the larger invention of modern technocracy, and the abstraction of methodology and rationalism to suit whatever purposes at hand.. Ignatious Loyala, the Jesuits -> all harbingers of the current so-called 'systems-man', or your typical Harvard MBa graduate.
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Post by Mary on Jul 23, 2005 13:10:35 GMT -5
Tuatha,
Oh, the book I ws reding is called Philosophy in Question: Essays on a Pyrrhonian Theme and it's by a phiosophy professor named David Hiley. I don't really know anything about the guy - I randomly picked the book up off the shelf because it looked interesting when the book on skepticism I was actually looking for didn't seem to be in the library.
As for Montaigne - it's an interesting quote, but I really wouldn't be able to offer any remotely intelligent impression. My knowledge of Montaigne is totally cursory, I only know about him insofar as he is a bit of a precursor to some of the eighteenth century guy who I write about. But I'm not surprised to see such widespread disagreement over how to classify him - something about the skeptical philosophers encourages numerous possible interpretations of what they "really" believed - just check out this excerpt from a book I've got about about Pierre Bayle:
To take just the twentieth-century literature, the suggestions are that Bayle was fundamentally a positivist, an atheist, a deist, a sceptic, a fideist, a Socinian, a liberal Calvinist, a conservative Calvinist, a libertine, a Judaizing Christian, a Judaeo-Christian, or even a secret Jew, a Manichean, an existentialist - to the point that it is tempting to conclude that commentators cannot hve been talking about the same author!
Now, it's true with Bayle, the problem of interpretation is exacerbated by his own famous way of writing his philosophical dictionary, in which each entry is very very very short, but with numerous extremely lengthy footnotes, and all the interesting stuff happens in the footnotes, and they sometimes appear to contradict the main entry. So there's been all this speculation he took "safe" positions in the main entries to avoid censorship, and then hinted at how he "really" felt for those who could read between the lines of the footnotes. But even apart from that, I can just see how his sceptical method makes his true beliefs very tricky to pin down, though I always took his Calvinism as sincere.
Cheers,
M
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Post by Meursault on Aug 3, 2005 16:03:14 GMT -5
Tuatha: are you from the old boards?
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Post by samplestiltskin on Aug 3, 2005 17:07:53 GMT -5
I am so happy right now, reading all this stuff and feeling my brain working again. Killing time at work thinking about the difference between skepticism and postmodernism, haha... Too funny. I can't believe I never thought of this possibility before, but suddenly I'm damn suspicious that Mary is Dobs.  |
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 4, 2005 16:19:03 GMT -5
Tuatha: are you from the old boards? Yes |
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 4, 2005 16:25:45 GMT -5
Tuatha, Oh, the book I ws reding is called Philosophy in Question: Essays on a Pyrrhonian Theme and it's by a phiosophy professor named David Hiley. I don't really know anything about the guy - I randomly picked the book up off the shelf because it looked interesting when the book on skepticism I was actually looking for didn't seem to be in the library. As for Montaigne - it's an interesting quote, but I really wouldn't be able to offer any remotely intelligent impression. My knowledge of Montaigne is totally cursory, I only know about him insofar as he is a bit of a precursor to some of the eighteenth century guy who I write about. But I'm not surprised to see such widespread disagreement over how to classify him - something about the skeptical philosophers encourages numerous possible interpretations of what they "really" believed - just check out this excerpt from a book I've got about about Pierre Bayle: To take just the twentieth-century literature, the suggestions are that Bayle was fundamentally a positivist, an atheist, a deist, a sceptic, a fideist, a Socinian, a liberal Calvinist, a conservative Calvinist, a libertine, a Judaizing Christian, a Judaeo-Christian, or even a secret Jew, a Manichean, an existentialist - to the point that it is tempting to conclude that commentators cannot hve been talking about the same author!Now, it's true with Bayle, the problem of interpretation is exacerbated by his own famous way of writing his philosophical dictionary, in which each entry is very very very short, but with numerous extremely lengthy footnotes, and all the interesting stuff happens in the footnotes, and they sometimes appear to contradict the main entry. So there's been all this speculation he took "safe" positions in the main entries to avoid censorship, and then hinted at how he "really" felt for those who could read between the lines of the footnotes. But even apart from that, I can just see how his sceptical method makes his true beliefs very tricky to pin down, though I always took his Calvinism as sincere. Cheers, MOh ok, I thought you were reading the book "The History of Skepticism". |
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 6, 2005 0:02:19 GMT -5
This is interesting. I found this at a couple sites now, apparently it is from the Megadeth forum.
MEGADETH Mainman Threatens To Cancel Greek Tour Over 'Satanic' Support Act - May 7, 2005
MEGADETH's previously announced gigs in Greece — on June 17 and 18 in Athens and Thessaloniki, respectively — appear to be in jeopardy over the participation of one of the scheduled support acts, Greek black metallers ROTTING CHRIST. MEGADETH mainman Dave Mustaine is reportedly willing to cancel MEGADETH's Greek dates (to be more specific: wherever ROTTING CHRIST are set to appear as support) due to his known dislike for black/death metal bands that depict religious issues in a negative light. Here's what a member (Nickname: April3rd) of MEGADETH's official forums posted concerning this issue and what Dave Mustaine posted in response (as found on the band's forums):
- April3rd: "Well, MEGADETH will be playing Greece this summer. Both Athens and Thessaloniki. Although it is not yet on the Killing Road the company that organizes the concert announced that the support act for the gig in Athens will be the Greek black metal band ROTTING CHRIST. We all know Dave's beliefs and his opinion about black metal. ROTTING CHRIST, as you can easily understand, don't actually go to church every Sunday, instead they had taken part in the 'Fuck Christ Tour' along with MAYHEM and other Satanic bands a few years ago.
"Hey, Dave, do you mind them opening for you?"
- Dave Mustaine: "Well, if they are on it, I certainly don't want to kick them off. We will just have to pass and play Greece another time or place. I have informed my management and they know what I feel."
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 6, 2005 0:03:17 GMT -5
MEGADETH Mainman Explains Refusal To Share Stage With 'Full-On Satanic' Bands - May 7, 2005
MEGADETH mainman Dave Mustaine has posted the following message in the "Forums" section of the band's official web site:
"It has come to my attention that there was a show in Greece where an allegedly 'full-on' Satanic band [ROTTING CHRIST] was going to be playing, as well as one in Israel too [referring to DISSECTION — Ed.]. No one knows for sure what their intent or content is, so I am not going to say they are.
"Yes, I said that I was not really interested in playing with Satanic [bands], and that is because I changed my outlook on life and my spritual beliefs over three years ago. I became a Christian, yes, and I have made even more mistakes now that I have, because there are things I do that I know I should not do, and things I do not do that I know I should.
"Plus I have helpful people like the guy in this thread who is quick to point out my failings, and volunteering as my self-appointed judge to remind me of everything that I am doing wrong.
"Yes, I did say I would prefer not to play on concerts with Satanic bands. That doesn't mean I won't, it doesn't mean I would not talk with the bands either, (sometimes it is just for fun anyway with these bands). But to make a life-altering change and then not have some kind of affect would not have been a change at all, would it? It's not much different from staying away from booze if you have made a decision to be sober.
"The concerts that I headline or I put together is usually my choice who I want to play with; festivals are different. If I don't feel it is right for me to do something, then like I said in this post here I would just respectfully decline. I would not ask that anyone be taken off if they were already confirmed.
"I have to draw the line and stand for my beliefs or they aren't beliefs at all, are they? I don't expect anyone to fully understand this, but I know many of you do, and I thank you for your support.
"To the Droogie that is set on insulting me about my beliefs, I understand. It is easy for a person with no beliefs to mock someone who does. I don't know if you do (I hope so), but it appears not. Because if you did, you would say, 'Well, those are Dave's beliefs, they are not like mine, but if mine are to be respected, than so should his.'
"I doubt you will think things through like this before you come on here and attack me for my beliefs again, but here's to hoping. And ya might want to check the guidelines of this site too; we are pretty friendly here, but personal attacks don't sit well here.
"And if not, I imagine someone will prolly buy your ticket and I will dedicate a song to your abscence at the concert
"The moral to the story is this . . . I don't like certain bands and that will never change that in me."
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 6, 2005 0:05:20 GMT -5
And here is Rotting Christ's Response:
ROTTING CHRIST Respond To MEGADETH Mainman's Threats Of Greek Concert Cancellation - May 8, 2005
Frontman Sakis Tolis of the Greek black metal act ROTTING CHRIST has issued the following statement — exclusively via Metal Temple magazine — concerning the issue that has arisen due to Dave Mustaine's (MEGADETH frontman) comments regarding the announcement that ROTTING CHRIST were going to provide support for (at least one of) MEGADETH's live concerts in Greece:
"Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the difficult position to have to announce to our fans that we feel like canceling our upcoming participation in two big festivals (something that we have done several times before, too), with the reason being our band's name. A name that expresses our opposition to any kind of religion, a name that opposes to any fake visions of an eternal calmness and peace, a name that is a punch at the conservative basis of the hypocritical and religious so-called democratic societies.
"Unfortunately the middle ages still find their way into the new millennium and METAL must support the freedom of the mind, something that it has been doing since its foundation."
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Post by Rit on Aug 6, 2005 7:46:05 GMT -5
err, does anyone find this even half-poignant?
coz i don't.
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 10, 2005 1:07:47 GMT -5
Geezer Butler on Satanism -
"I used to read a lot about all that. But any lyrics that I or Ozzy wrote were actually warnings against Satanism, telling people that if you are going to dabble in that, just be careful... I had a very strict Catholic upbringing, so I read a lot about Satan. But we never, ever promoted Satanism or black magic, we only used it as a reference, and it wasn't our only topic. We wrote a lot of science fiction lyrics, anti-Vietnam war songs, the occult was only dealt with in three or four songs. But people completely misinterpreted them, the way they always do... Sabbath even did a blatantly pro-God, Christian hymn type of song, 'After Forever', and people still took it the wrong way. They thought we were taking the piss out of it!"
"I think it's sad that those bands in Norway are trying to get publicity by burning down churches. Music shouldn't ever preach hatred or intolerance, there's already enough of that in the world... Some of these new bands are so fake it's unbelievable, they don't even know what they're singing about half the time."
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 10, 2005 1:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by Nepenthe on Aug 10, 2005 1:25:21 GMT -5
err, does anyone find this even half-poignant? coz i don't. No I don't think so either. |
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