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Post by dolly on Oct 21, 2005 14:36:32 GMT -5
And can Dolly really get away with bundling Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim together as one pick, just because they're now sold as a low-price single disc package?
(But obviously it wasn't me who asked this question)It's a good job it's a certain person's birthday tomorrow... (guess how old folks? I can't count past 20, but it's O-O-O-O-O-O-LD!). But to answer the legality of the bundling accusation I personally have only ever known the bundled version - I wouldn't even know which songs were from which album. And if that's no answer then it's tough tic-tacs!  I shamelessly confess my preferences are FAR too skewed towards the modern... and I am not one bit ashamed of it! It's what touches me, it's what is relevant and means something to me, and I have made a point of pushing these ideals all through these list making exercises on the boards... I think if its going to be an honest and true representation of listener preferences, we gotta say what we love, irrespective of what we "think" is essential or that we "should" put into a list... Well said Scotsy! Mine is a tad more "as it should be" in places than if I had more time to think (and less awful exam test papers to mark). But I did manage to include a few personal modern favourites (Arcade Fire, Pulp, Interpol, Emiliana Torrini etc) that I probably wouldn't put on an objective list (save for Funeral and TOTBL of course!). Anyway, point is the list should be what YOU feel it should be, and not what the book says it should be - or that would be pretty dull eh? I love seeing other people's lists and seeing the quirky little picks that stand out from all the usuals. Whoa, that was more said in one post than I've said in a year. 
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Post by luke on Oct 21, 2005 14:44:53 GMT -5
But at the same time, I'm not going to make a "Greatest Books Ever" list and put Stephen King on it. That's just complete bullshit. I'm not one to believe that art is purely subjective. I'm not one to believe that my 25 favorite albums are the "greatest" because that's the way I feel, and we all have our own opinions.
It's a cyclical argument, but I will always fall to the side that says that, no, fucking Blink 182 is NOT better than The Clash, I don't care how much you fucking love them, if you really think that it is a FACT that you are fucking WRONG.
On the other hand, I really like Jesus' debate of whether or not we should look at the new stuff as "influenced by" or "improved upon." That really got me to thinking.
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Post by dolly on Oct 21, 2005 14:47:13 GMT -5
any vote for the The Clash, whether US or UK (which we all know is better)
Eh? The UK version? Are you sure Mr Holzman? No love for White Man in Hammersmith Palais? The UK is far poorer for its omission. It makes the album for me.
Debate!
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Post by melon1 on Oct 21, 2005 14:47:52 GMT -5
I might come back and change this seeing as we can add Greatest Hits albums now.
#1 Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
2. Blind Melon - Blind Melon
3. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
4. Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin
5. Led Zeppelin IV
6. Led Zeppelin III
7. The Joshua Tree - U2
8. Pisces Iscariot - Smashing Pumpkins
9. OK Computer - Radiohead
10. Achtung Baby - U2
11. The White Album - The Beatles
12. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
13. Kid A - Radiohead
14. Meddle - Pink Floyd
15. You're Living All Over Me - Dinosaur Jr.
16. Ten - Pearl Jam
17. Green Mind - Dinosaur Jr.
18. Ill Communication - Beastie Boys
19. Check Your Head - Beastie Boys
20. Bringing It All Back Home - Bob Dylan
21. Gish - Smashing Pumpkins
22. The Bends - Radiohead
23. Electric Ladyland - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
24. Amnesiac - Radiohead
25. Houses of the Holy - Led Zeppelin
Damn, I wanted I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One on this list but it didn't quite make the cut.
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Post by dolly on Oct 21, 2005 14:59:37 GMT -5
But at the same time, I'm not going to make a "Greatest Books Ever" list and put Stephen King on it. That's just complete bullshit. I'm not one to believe that art is purely subjective. I'm not one to believe that my 25 favorite albums are the "greatest" because that's the way I feel, and we all have our own opinions.
It's a cyclical argument, but I will always fall to the side that says that, no, fucking Blink 182 is NOT better than The Clash, I don't care how much you fucking love them, if you really think that it is a FACT that you are fucking WRONG.
I don't think that anyone in this community would even consider for a moment putting Blink 182 or Stephen King novels onto a greatest list...
Not sure if your post was in answer to mine Luke, but my argument wasn't so much that a greatest list should be merely subjective, just that I don't think there is any point in creating a list that puts Dark Side of the Moon (for example) in your top 10 because you know that it should really be in there. (edit - and I just noticed that it's Melon's top album - no offence - coincidence!)
But then I'm in the fortunate position of [knowing/i] that my number 1 pick really is the number greatest rock & roll album of all time ;D
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 21, 2005 15:11:17 GMT -5
any vote for the The Clash, whether US or UK (which we all know is better)Eh? The UK version? Are you sure Mr Holzman? No love for White Man in Hammersmith Palais? The UK is far poorer for its omission. It makes the album for me. Debate! I LOVE White Man in Hammersmith Palais (might be the band's finest moment, all in all) and Complete Control, and I Fought the Law ... but they're not part of The Clash. To me, those are later singles, which should be heard as such. What I love about the UK issue is the way it feels like one piece -- we went into a studio and came out with this. The US version feels slapped together, in contrast. So while I think that the US may have the better songs, the UK release is the better album. My humble opinion anyway ... |
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Post by bowiglou on Oct 21, 2005 16:18:47 GMT -5
Ken, can I resubmit my list.....I left off the Jam!! and Squeeze!!...so I decided to take off Beatles---Revolver not because I don't love it but I restricted my list to one LP per artist....
(1) The Beatles--Rubber Soul
(2) David Bowie--Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps)
(3) The Clash--London Calling
(4) Lou Reed--New York
(5) The Rolling Stones--Let it Bleed
(6) Elvis Costello--This Year's Model
(7) Rod Stewart--Every Picture Tells a Story
(8) Talking Heads--Fear of Music
(9) Peter Gabriel--III
(10) Steely Dan--Pretzel Logic
(11) REM--Reckoning
(12) Replacements--Tim
(13) X--Wild Gift
(14) Iggy Pop--Lust for Life
(15) The Jam---Sound Affects
(16) George Harrison--All Things Must Pass
(17) The Chills--Submarine Bells
(18) Elton John--Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
(19) Cat Stevens---Tea for the Tillerman
(20) Neil Young--After the Gold Rush
(21) Mekons--Rock and Roll
(22) Magazine--Correct Use of Soap
(23) Squeeze---East Side Story
(24) Lloyd Cole and the Commotions--Rattlesnakes
(25) Aztec Camera--High Land, Hard Rain
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Post by koolkat on Oct 21, 2005 17:35:45 GMT -5
1. Achtung Baby – U2
2. Purple Rain - Prince & The Revolution
3. OK Computer - Radiohead
4. II – Led Zeppelin
5. Appetite For Destruction – Guns N Roses
6. Never Mind The Bollocks – Sex Pistols
7. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness – Smashing Pumpkins
8. Violator – Depeche Mode
9. Blood Sugar Sex Magik – Red Hot Chili Peppers
10. IV – Led Zeppelin
11. Superunknown – Soundgarden
12. Vitalogy – Pearl Jam
13. …And Justice For All – Metallica
14. Grace – Jeff Buckley
15. Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea – PJ Harvey
16. In Utero – Nirvana
17. Automatic For The People – REM
18. Little Earthquakes – Tori Amos
19. Mechanical Animals - Marilyn Manson
20. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths
21. Let Love In – Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
22. Woodface – Crowded House
23. Off The Wall – Michael Jackson
24. Paranoid – Black Sabbath
25. Dopes To Infinity – Monster Magnet
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Post by RocDoc on Oct 21, 2005 18:48:35 GMT -5
I was going to say:
'Well, I love reading peoples' lists, actually, informed peoples' lists but I despise doing lists of my own...'
but reading the ones you guys put up makes me want to make one of my own now. Shit.
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That Emiliana Torrini that Dolly put up stuck out for me enough that I looked it up on AMG and it definitely sounds like one to find. Well then besides her new one which I think reviews even better...yeah, write up something like this and I'm NOT going to bite?
Torrini's beautiful vocals match the translucence of Beth Orton and Kate Bush and the undying passion of Björk. Her debut Love in the Time of Science is a shimmering delight of gossamer lyrics and swooning instrumental imagery.
Right.
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Also nice to see the inclusion of Abbey Road on so many lists and then Mad Dogs And Englishmen is also extrrrremely deserving...
Later then.
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Post by kmc on Oct 21, 2005 19:34:21 GMT -5
You know, luke, in the old days, I spent the better time of a year arguing with louee that, because artistic subjectivity is a bullshit, cowardly defense of poor taste (IMO), Britney Spears is not, in fact, the greatest artist ever. I tend to agree with you...which is not to say that you can't make an argument for a lot of things actually belonging in the top 25.
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Post by phil on Oct 21, 2005 19:57:49 GMT -5
If the only thing you are familiar with
are the likes of Hillary Duff, Jessica Simpson
and all those Teen Pop sugar twats...
Britney Spears may very well be
the "greatest artist ever" ...
HÉ! I do miss Louee !!
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Post by wayved on Oct 21, 2005 23:39:25 GMT -5
I did not see other peoples lists so far..this is my first draft. Apologies to Ken--the Clash does not show up. This is futile and impossible.
1. The Who-Whos Next (followed closely by BY NUMBERS)
2. Beach Boys-Pet Sounds (followed closely by TODAY, SURFS UP and WILD HONEY)
3. Guided by Voices-Bee Thousand (cmon! I had to pick one!)
4. Big Star-Radio City (ALL BIG STAR!)
5. Aztec Camera-High Land Hard Rain (I cannot tell you how many copies of this I have bought)
6. Yes-Close to the Edge
7. Sonic Youth-Daydream Nation
8. Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band -Trout Mask Replica
9. Cure-Pornography
10. Leonard Cohen-The Songs of Leonard Cohen
11. Cocteau Twins-Heaven or Las Vegas
12. ANYTHING by the Verlaines/New Concepts in Sound Recording-Pan Am
13. Pixies-Surfer Rosa
14. Psychadelic Furs-Talk Talk Talk
15. My Bloody Valentine-Loveless
16. Byrds-Ballad of Easy Rider
17. XTC-The Big Express (you cannot dismiss this album for its drum sound! The songs are pretty damn good! XTC should go unplugged with them!)
18. Clean-Vehicle
19. Michael Nesmith-Loose Salute
20. Randy Newman-12 Songs
21. Jack Bruce-Songs for a Tailor
22. Genesis-Foxtrot
23. The Jam-In the City
24. Wilco-Summerteeth
25. The Kinks-Kronikles (if this cant count --SOMETHING ELSE)
This is impossible!
What about--
SMITHEREENS-Especially For You
Love-Forever Changes
REM-Green
Dinosa--awww fuck it. this is so dumb. I have too many favorites.
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Post by wayved on Oct 21, 2005 23:41:34 GMT -5
Its impossible. I just checked out some other lists. This is tough.
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Post by wayved on Oct 21, 2005 23:48:22 GMT -5
What about WIRE-154? Lou Reeds entire discography? Garageland? Neil Young? I bow out. My list stands for now.
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Post by wayved on Oct 21, 2005 23:58:53 GMT -5
Zombies Odessy and Oracle! Split Enz MENTAL NOTES! I will be amending this list. I am not including The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Van Morrison, Clash, Stones, Pink Floyd, and as a matter of fact, Guided By Voices on the next list--cos their entire discographies cannot be nitpicked in a sane manner. I forgot Marshall Crenshaw and Leo Kottke.
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