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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Oct 26, 2005 21:06:45 GMT -5
Oh yeah.......Big Black is Albini's first induction into the nightmare. Great stuff.
I used to be indifferent to the Clash and for a long time I talked so much shit on "Sandinista" but it by far has some of my favorite songs now. I really think the ambitious nature of the album and the lyrical content is amazing. Most would go for "London Calling" but after a night of a bottle of Port Wine, man I started to get it and I started to become obsessed with "Sandinista".
Slanted and Enchanted is probably the greatest The Fall record that never was. That's a huge compliment and though I know that The Fall was a huge influence on them, I still didn't get the vibe that they were merely aping. No, No, that record is great.
"California" to me is by far Brian Wilson's muse being dragged and raped through the small crystal meth towns of the midwest by a bunch of rabid death metal fans. It's amazing.
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Post by Matheus on Oct 26, 2005 23:07:22 GMT -5
Wrong place to post this list I suppose, but because of my youth, and my fickle nature, here it goes. I don't rest on memories...
1. Argument - Fugazi
I think it was Skvorecky who caused me to take the plunge on these guys.
2. London Calling - The Clash
I don't think I'll ever stop loving this album, and I have to thank Mary Blaney for that. Dunno if she's even around considering I never post anymore.
3. In Utero - Nirvana
4. Kid A - Radiohead
Thank you, JAC, for this one. Really changed my point of view when it came to music and opened me up to a lot of shit.
5. American Idiot - Green Day
6. American Life - Madonna
I don't give a fuck. "Die Another Day" is certainly not anyone's definition rock and roll, but it's probably one of the most relevant songs the woman ever made. It's my anthem, and the whole album's attitude is screaming with "fuck you."
7. The Shape Of Punk To Come - Refused
8. Mezmerize - System Of A Down
9. Elephant - The White Stripes
10. Lateralus - Tool
11. One Beat - Sleater-Kinney
Thanks again to Blaney.
12. Live Through This - Hole
I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about Courtney Love, this shit rocks.
13. Nevermind - Nirvana
14. Extraordinary Machine - Fiona Apple
Best fucking album she's ever made, and I don't care if it came out like 3 weeks ago.
15. Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie - Alanis Morissette
Yeah, I am still in love with this disc.
16. Doolittle - Pixies
17. Ray Of Light - Madonna
Best album she ever made, but I still like American Life better.
18. No Wow - The Kills
Coolest sounding shit ever. And if I could fuck a voice, it'd be hers.
19. Holy Wood - Marilyn Manson
20. Production - Mirwais
He produced Madonna's "Music," but his album is far superior.
21. OK Computer - Radiohead
Der.
22. Dig Me Out - Sleater-Kinney
23. From The Choirgirl Hotel - Tori Amos
24. Blink 182 - Blink 182
Didn't know they had it in 'em.
25. America's Sweetheart - Courtney Love
I love this album for the mess that it is.
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Post by rockysigman on Oct 27, 2005 0:00:30 GMT -5
Sandinista! is just too big of a sprawling mess to really compete for the "Best Album of All Time" title. Way too much stuff that only hardcore fans would really appreciate.
That being said, it also has a few songs that are truly among the Clash's best, which of course place them among the best of all time -- "Somebody Got Murdered" is the one that springs immediately to mind, but I think "The Magnificent Seven", "Something About England"and a few others deserve the mention too though. I really love that album, but its a very difficult listen. I must admit that this is one of the few albums that I usually just pick bits and pieces to listen to and only occassionally listen to the whole thing straight through, and that's not just because of the length.
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Post by Mary on Oct 27, 2005 0:57:23 GMT -5
Ahhh, the Clash. To be honest, it's been a while for me since I had the fervor about the Clash that I once did. I have barely even listened to a single Clash album in the past 2 years, and I think I've kinda moved from straight-up punk rock to what the fashionable set would call post-punk these days. But they will always carry intense meaning for me, and I'm sitting underneath a giant London Calling poster as I write this. They were the band responsible for my obsessive love of music, and London Calling was the album that, quite literally, completely changed my life - it sounds hyperbolic, but one day at a party when I was 13 years old I happened to hear that record, and everything changed after that - not just the music I listened to, but the way I thought about myself, what I cared about, the kind of person I wanted to be, the friends i wanted to have, how I related to the outside world, everything. I feel as though the Clash are as important to the story of my life as a first love might be to someone else. Well, not that that's not also an important story for me.... but the Clash are right up there. So today I put on London Calling as I was struggling with the introductory chapter to my dissertation (I'm writing the whole thing backwards....because I'm weird...) and hearing this album again, that defined 10 years of my life and basically made me the person I am today, after a long period of disregard - it was a pretty intense experience. I had to stop writing during Spanish Bombs and just sit there and listen. Hard to describe the unbelievably strong nostalgia that came over me hearing that song - it reminded me of so many moments in my life, of high school road trips, of old boyfriends, of stupid fights with my parents, of drunken prayers to the porcelain goddess in godforsaken punk rock club bathrooms, of my senior year english "culminating experience" high school paper on kurt vonnegut, which I wrote in the course of a crazy 5-hour caffeine binge, with London Calling blaring through headphones on endless repeat, of my lonely dorm room the size of a cubicle my freshman year at college, wondering what the fuck i was doing in the middle of nowhere new hampshire with a bunch of frat boys and sorority girls, of random arguments with random strangers in bars about the best rock and roll band of all time (the beatles? the stones? the who? are you crazy? THE CLASH!!!), of lying in bed late at night listening to the way Mick Jones' voice cracks when he sings The Card Cheat, of completely freezing in shock when I heard that Joe Strummer had shuffled off this mortal coil.... this album, and this band, have absolutely defined a decade of my life for me. I can't listen to these songs objectively anymore, they are so intertwined with my sense of my own self. That's why, ultimately, London Calling just had to be my #1 album - maybe these days I'm more inclined to pop in Let Love In, maybe I can even begin to understand, on some level, why kMc or melon would think the clash merely "so-so" - but this band, they were more than a band for me. They were a core part of my identity. They were a fucking CAUSE. I do think London Calling is their best album, but if I could totally cheat, I would actually choose the second CD of their box set, Clash on Broadway, which includes most of London Calling, alongside the best songs from Give 'em Enough Rope, plus a few untouchably great singles that were never released on an album, including the unbelievably perfect Gates of the West (yes, I think maybe it was ken holzman who first referred to it as the great lost power pop tune - but fuck, he was so right!) But Groovy Times is also a fabulous, surprisingly Dylanesque, elegy to the passing of committed political action, and Armagideon Time is a fucking PERFECT rebel-reggae anthem, as is Bankrobber. The second CD of Clash on Broadway - fuck, I don't know if I could put together a better 20 songs. Well, except for One Emotion. But let's just pretend that's not on there. The rest of it reveals the Clash's greatness in one continuous string of the pure essence of rock and roll - because the Clash were fucking romantics and that will always be the core of their greatness. They bought into all the mythology of rock, with absolute earnestness, and every note they wrote just oozes rock mythology. If you're at all disenchanted with the whole notion of "rock and roll", if you're "post" anything, if you're tired of having the rock "canon" beaten into you at every opportunity, if you resent the 4 or 5 endlessly recycled rock "greats" from eras long gone by - ok, I can understand why this kind of romanticism might not appeal to you. But shit, if you were ever a teenager who dreamed that guitars might change the world, and that the right power chord was the essence of liberation... ...then the Clash are your own conscience, singing right back at you. Cheers, M('sbeen a while since I went on an insanely hyperbolic, over-the-top Clash rant no? seemed overdue....  ) |
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Oct 27, 2005 5:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Oct 27, 2005 5:58:11 GMT -5
For those too lazy to hit the link, this was the top 25
(sorry Mary, the Clash were at #44)
This was the British general public, so it's obviously skewed towards UK bands.
1 RADIOHEAD - OK Computer
2 U2 - The Joshua Tree
3 NIRVANA - Nevermind
4 MICHAEL JACKSON - Thriller
5 PINK FLOYD - Dark Side of the Moon
6 OASIS - Definitely Maybe
7 THE BEATLES - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
8 MADONNA - Like a Prayer
9 GUNS N' ROSES - Appetite For Destruction
10 THE BEATLES - Revolver
11 R.E.M. - Automatic for the People
12 THE BEATLES - The White Album
13 QUEEN - A Night at the Opera
14 COLDPLAY - Parachutes
15 OASIS - (What's the Story) Morning Glory
16 ALANIS MORISSETTE - Jagged Little Pill
17 LED ZEPPELIN - Led Zeppelin IV
18 THE VERVE - Urban Hymns
19 JIMI HENDRIX - Are you Experienced
20 THE SMITHS - The Queen Is Dead
21 JOHN LENNON - Imagine
22 RADIOHEAD - The Bends
23 BOB MARLEY AND THE WAILERS - Exodus
24 THE STONE ROSES - The Stone Roses
25 SIMON AND GARFUNKEL - Bridge Over Troubled Water
All said and done, I don't think the Brits disgraced themselves for once.
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Post by Matheus on Oct 27, 2005 10:39:07 GMT -5
Oh Jesus (I kinda liked sayiing that), I'm not chuffed that Madonna's at #8... I'm chuffed that people think "Thriller" is better than "Like A Prayer."  And how the hell did I miss Appetite For Destruction. I was just listening to it the other day... shit. |
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 28, 2005 9:25:20 GMT -5
Just a reminder, today is the "official" deadline to turn in your lists for this poll ... HOWEVER, there is no way in hell that I'm gonna get any work done on this over this weekend, so if you miss today, I'll accept 'em through Sunday night.
So don't expect to see the results until Monday or Tuesday. OK?
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Post by pattentank24 on Oct 28, 2005 10:32:43 GMT -5
1. Afghan Whigs- Gentleman
2. The Velvet Underground/Nico
3. The Clash-London Calling
4. Beach Boys- Pet Sounds
5. Jeff Buckley- Grace
6. Radiohead- The Bends
7. Joy Divison- Unknown Pleasure
8. Bob Dylan- The Freewheeling Bob Dylan
9. NIN- The Fragile
10.Interpol- Turn On The Bright Lights
11.Ramones- Leave Home
12.The Beatles- The White Album
13.The Verve A Storm In Heaven
14.Stooges- Fun House
15. Pixies- Doolittle
16. U2- Achtung Baby
17. Television- Marquee Moon
18.Replacements- Let It Be
19.M83- Dead Cities,Red Seas,& Lost Ghosts
20.Sigur Ros- Agaetis Byrun
21.Oasis- Definitley Maybe
22.Pavement- Slanted/Enchanted
23.My Bloody Valentine- Loveless
24.Tool-Aenima
25.Rolling Stones-Begger's Banquet
and yet I feel unsure after the top 10...
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Post by melon1 on Oct 29, 2005 9:34:24 GMT -5
I LOVE White Man in Hammersmith Palais (might be the band's finest moment, all in all)
After that post about our musical differences from a few weeks ago, I really dig it when I find something that Ken and I agree on. "Jesus etc." being Wilco's greatest song, so far, is the only thing we have in common musically, until I read this. Actually, I consider "I'm Not Down" to be their finest moment, but "White Man...." is definitely 2nd on my list.
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Post by melon1 on Oct 29, 2005 9:39:29 GMT -5
I guess we'll see who made the list today.
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Post by Dr. Drum on Oct 30, 2005 7:36:15 GMT -5
Ken, should have something for you later on today - if I can solve this no. 1 conundrum.
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Post by riley on Oct 30, 2005 18:02:56 GMT -5
Doc will you please just put Moving Pictures at #1 and Country Life at #2 so Ken can score this thing and we can move along ;D
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Post by Dr. Drum on Oct 30, 2005 20:26:28 GMT -5
Well, you're close, Riley. Still not really satisfied with this but such as it is:
1. The Velvet Underground and Nico
2. Roxy Music – Country Life
3. Rush – Moving Pictures
4. XTC – Black Sea
5. The Rheostatics – Whale Music
6. Television – Marquee Moon
7. U2 – Achtung Baby
8. Elvis Costello and the Attractions – This Years Model
9. Mekons – Rock n' Roll
10. Kate Bush – Hounds of Love
11. Jane Siberry – The Speckless Sky
12. Peter Gabriel – III
13. Kraftwerk – Trans Europe Express
14. Patti Smith – Horses
15. Laurie Anderson – Big Science
16. David Bowie – "Heroes"
17. Elvis Presley – The Sun Sessions
18. Joni Mitchell – Court and Spark
19. Brian Eno – Another Green World
20. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – The Boatman's Call
21. Sex Pistols – Never Mind the Bollocks
22. The Clash – London Calling
23. Tori Amos – From the Choirgirl Hotel
24. R.E.M. - Murmur
25. T-Bone Burnett – Proof Through the Night
I almost had Roxy's For Your Pleasure at no. 2, BTW. That record has had a real resurgence with me over the last couple months.
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Post by strat-0 on Oct 30, 2005 22:17:12 GMT -5
Dammit, Ken, I've had to play plumber all weekend, so I guess I've missed it! Well, I fixed my faucets, anyhow! Just put in a vote for me for Who's Next at #1.
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